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    Re: Premarital Abstinence Pledges Ineffective, Study Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    These are all situations that are assumed to have been learned before the student reaches a grade level that has actual "health class". You might as well add a class teaching how to tie your shoes as well. Personally I have yet to meet a high school student who didn't know how to not get the flu or how to eliminate it or the same with chicken pox.

    In the matter of reproduction and STD's though, the age of the students when these items are taught are when they are able to start reproducing and also more likely to get an STD.
    Well, it is assumed wrong.
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    So...about funding for Hygiene classes. Again, if your willing for your taxes pay for hygiene classes, then I'm willing to pay for sex-ed.

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    Re: Premarital Abstinence Pledges Ineffective, Study Finds

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    Well, it is assumed wrong.
    CNN.com - Health - People's hand-washing tales a whitewash, study says - September 18, 2000
    Americans' Dirty Secret Revealed | LiveScience

    So...about funding for Hygiene classes. Again, if your willing for your taxes pay for hygiene classes, then I'm willing to pay for sex-ed.
    Where in those articles does it say the people are ignorant on how to wash their hands or what washing their hands does?

    If you want to address the issues in your links then you would need a class on "How to not be lazy" not a Hygiene class.

    The difference is the individuals taking the Health class don't know what STD's are or how to prevent them.
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    Re: Premarital Abstinence Pledges Ineffective, Study Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Where in those articles does it say the people are ignorant on how to wash their hands or what washing their hands does?

    If you want to address the issues in your links then you would need a class on "How to not be lazy" not a Hygiene class.

    The difference is the individuals taking the Health class don't know what STD's are or how to prevent them.
    ok then, to get back on topic, can you show many a study that shows kids do not know HOW to put on a condom?

    EDIT: and not some study in africa. Be fair like I did, here in america.

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    Re: Premarital Abstinence Pledges Ineffective, Study Finds

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    ok then, to get back on topic, can you show many a study that shows kids do not know HOW to put on a condom?

    EDIT: and not some study in africa. Be fair like I did, here in america.
    Who's talking about showing how to put on? There are directions in the condom box for that.

    I am saying a teacher should provide information that condoms and other such barrier providing contraceptives will help protect against such diseases and that they are the only contraceptives that do so and that intercourse is not the only method to obtain such diseases. We wouldn't want the students thinking "the pill" provides this type of protection or that they do other things besides intercourse and they are safe. They need to know even basic kissing can transfer such diseases.
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    Re: Premarital Abstinence Pledges Ineffective, Study Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    I don't know, maybe because it saves lives? That is the motivation behind it all, isn't it? I mean, you do agree, all diseases can kill if not treated correctly. So, why not save more lives by having Hygiene ed classes, or Worm classes! It'll SAVE LIVES!
    Your being silly, now. I realize you've backed yourself in a corner with the whole disease thing. Agree that it was an overreaction and move on.
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    Re: Premarital Abstinence Pledges Ineffective, Study Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    ok then, to get back on topic, can you show many a study that shows kids do not know HOW to put on a condom?

    EDIT: and not some study in africa. Be fair like I did, here in america.
    A while back I posted an American study that showed that 8 out of 10 adult men put on a condom, incorrectly, even if give 3 chances to do so. I cannot locate the study or the post, but I'll keep looking. Assuming this is accurate, and if I recall I checked the test's validity and it seemed sound, I would think this refutes your assertion.
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    Re: Premarital Abstinence Pledges Ineffective, Study Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    A while back I posted an American study that showed that 8 out of 10 adult men put on a condom, incorrectly, even if give 3 chances to do so. I cannot locate the study or the post, but I'll keep looking. Assuming this is accurate, and if I recall I checked the test's validity and it seemed sound, I would think this refutes your assertion.
    Wait a minute. Now THIS doesn't make sense. I just read a study that said condoms are very efficient. How is that if 8/10 men are not putting it on correctly?

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    Re: Premarital Abstinence Pledges Ineffective, Study Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Your being silly, now. I realize you've backed yourself in a corner with the whole disease thing. Agree that it was an overreaction and move on.
    Not really, just pointing out the obvious, sex-ed has absolutely NOTHING to do with saving people from disease. It only has to do with pleasure. If everyone in the world waited untill they were married and never cheated. The AIDS problem would be virtually nonexistent. Just isolated instances of Aids via-blood transfusions and what not, and even then it would be rarer. Why doesn't anyone encourage that behavior? I'll tell you why: "Its too dang hard!I dun wanna wait till marriage!"

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    Re: Premarital Abstinence Pledges Ineffective, Study Finds

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    Wait a minute. Now THIS doesn't make sense. I just read a study that said condoms are very efficient. How is that if 8/10 men are not putting it on correctly?
    Perhaps the efficient study only counted those instances where the condom was used properly?
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    Re: Premarital Abstinence Pledges Ineffective, Study Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Not really, just pointing out the obvious, sex-ed has absolutely NOTHING to do with saving people from disease.
    Really? Not even the part about "practicing safe sex" with condom's?

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    It only has to do with pleasure.


    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    If everyone in the world waited untill they were married and never cheated. The AIDS problem would be virtually nonexistent. Just isolated instances of Aids via-blood transfusions and what not, and even then it would be rarer. Why doesn't anyone encourage that behavior? I'll tell you why: "Its too dang hard!I dun wanna wait till marriage!"
    You can replace that with "if everyone in the world used condoms" and the desired result would be the same.

    The difference is you can get people to use condoms easily, teaching abstinence however fails in terms of effectiveness.

    We're never going to have a world where everyone waits until their married, nor should we (how awful.) So we should rationally deal with the world have, using methods that are proven effective, rather than proven failures.

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Wait a minute. Now THIS doesn't make sense. I just read a study that said condoms are very efficient. How is that if 8/10 men are not putting it on correctly?
    Perhaps someone should teach them how to put one on correctly... I wonder what kind of class would cover that...
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