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    Re: Premarital Abstinence Pledges Ineffective, Study Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Being a parent doesn't require a teaching certificate, or any certification at all.
    It is not in society's best interest that young people be sent into the world with inaccurate knowledge of sex, or with no information at all about it.
    And this is what will happen, if everything is left 'to the parents' discretion".
    Some parents simply have none.
    Some parents suffer from mental retardation. Yes, i knew a guy whose parents are both mentally retarded, and he isn't.
    Some parents belong to strange cults.
    Some parents are mentally ill.

    No. It cannot be left "to the parents".
    It is a subject like any other, and should be taught that way: just the facts.

    If parents wish to supplements these fact with some sort of morality training, that is the part they are free to do at home.
    But their is no adequate excuse (including "who cares if it's taught in school? They'll learn it from their friends anyway. I did.") for public schools not teaching the basic scientific facts of anatomy and reproduction.
    Thats...not what I'm talking about. Let school teach reproduction and biology and about STD's, but...these "sex ed" programs should be entirely left to the parents. they are all just a waste of money. And these "cults" and potential for "abuse" is pretty much null considering that they are already illegal.

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    Re: Premarital Abstinence Pledges Ineffective, Study Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Being a parent doesn't require a teaching certificate, or any certification at all.
    It is not in society's best interest that young people be sent into the world with inaccurate knowledge of sex, or with no information at all about it.
    And this is what will happen, if everything is left 'to the parents' discretion".
    Some parents simply have none.
    Some parents suffer from mental retardation. Yes, i knew a guy whose parents are both mentally retarded, and he isn't.
    Some parents belong to strange cults.
    Some parents are mentally ill.

    No. It cannot be left "to the parents".
    It is a subject like any other, and should be taught that way: just the facts.

    If parents wish to supplements these fact with some sort of morality training, that is the part they are free to do at home.
    But their is no adequate excuse (including "who cares if it's taught in school? They'll learn it from their friends anyway. I did.") for public schools not teaching the basic scientific facts of anatomy and reproduction.
    So in light of the recent news stories about teachers having sex with their students, do you consider that "Just the Facts"?

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    Re: Premarital Abstinence Pledges Ineffective, Study Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Thats...not what I'm talking about. Let school teach reproduction and biology and about STD's, but...these "sex ed" programs should be entirely left to the parents. they are all just a waste of money. And these "cults" and potential for "abuse" is pretty much null considering that they are already illegal.
    By teaching about STD's and reproduction they need to teach how to protect against them.

    Unless you except a teacher to say, "...and that is what will happen to you if you ever get syphilis or herpes. Now to find out how to protect yourself from contracting these diseases you must go ask your parents."
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    Re: Premarital Abstinence Pledges Ineffective, Study Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    By teaching about STD's and reproduction they need to teach how to protect against them.

    Unless you except a teacher to say, "...and that is what will happen to you if you ever get syphilis or herpes. Now to find out how to protect yourself from contracting these diseases you must go ask your parents."
    Ok while we're at it, lets teach children how to prevent against polio, flu, streptococcus, Cholera, smallpox, listeriosis, Salmonella Enteritidis, Salmonellosis, Shigellosis, Botulism Brainerd Diarrhea, and Vibrio vulnificus, Amebiasis, Ascaris, Roundworms, Cryptosporidiosis, Cyclospora infection, Cysticercosis, Giardiasis, Toxoplasmosis, Trichinosis. Why teach one form of diseases but not the others that are just as dangerous and contagious? Why discriminate? That only way you get total accurate education in those diseases is if you learn them at a med school or some doctor told you or something.

    I tell you what. I'll agree with you on teaching kids how to prevent STD's, if you agree for students to be taught how to prevent EVERY SINGLE DISEASE known to man.
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    Re: Premarital Abstinence Pledges Ineffective, Study Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    I tell you what. I'll agree with you on teaching kids how to prevent STD's, if you agree for students to be taught how to prevent EVERY SINGLE DISEASE known to man.
    It teaches kids how to prevent diseases and STD's that are predominate in society (i.e. what they can actually get).

    Why would you want a teacher to teach about polio? They already got the shot.

    The flu? They do that each and every year with teaching people to get vaccinate.

    You are being ridiculous.

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    Re: Premarital Abstinence Pledges Ineffective, Study Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Ok while we're at it, lets teach children how to prevent against polio, flu, streptococcus, Cholera, smallpox, listeriosis, Salmonella Enteritidis, Salmonellosis, Shigellosis, Botulism Brainerd Diarrhea, and Vibrio vulnificus, Amebiasis, Ascaris, Roundworms, Cryptosporidiosis, Cyclospora infection, Cysticercosis, Giardiasis, Toxoplasmosis, Trichinosis. Why teach one form of diseases but not the others that are just as dangerous and contagious? Why discriminate? That only way you get total accurate education in those diseases is if you learn them at a med school or some doctor told you or something.

    I tell you what. I'll agree with you on teaching kids how to prevent STD's, if you agree for students to be taught how to prevent EVERY SINGLE DISEASE known to man.
    Tell you what. When you can show that teaching the prevention of those diseases is as understandable and as easy to accomplish as learning how to prevent STD's and you stop making straw man arguments then perhaps your assertion above might make sense.
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    Re: Premarital Abstinence Pledges Ineffective, Study Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Ok while we're at it, lets teach children how to prevent against polio, flu, streptococcus, Cholera, smallpox, listeriosis, Salmonella Enteritidis, Salmonellosis, Shigellosis, Botulism Brainerd Diarrhea, and Vibrio vulnificus, Amebiasis, Ascaris, Roundworms, Cryptosporidiosis, Cyclospora infection, Cysticercosis, Giardiasis, Toxoplasmosis, Trichinosis. Why teach one form of diseases but not the others that are just as dangerous and contagious? Why discriminate? That only way you get total accurate education in those diseases is if you learn them at a med school or some doctor told you or something.

    I tell you what. I'll agree with you on teaching kids how to prevent STD's, if you agree for students to be taught how to prevent EVERY SINGLE DISEASE known to man.
    While were at it why not teach them the year to year history of every single country and empire ever to exist in the entire world?

    Why? Because there is limited teaching time and the curriculum must be focused to relevant information. STD's and reproduction are completely relevant and something 95% of the students being taught will have experience with. If a teacher is going to teach about STD's then they should also teach protection against them.
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    Re: Premarital Abstinence Pledges Ineffective, Study Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Tell you what. When you can show that teaching the prevention of those diseases is as understandable and as easy to accomplish as learning how to prevent STD's and you stop making straw man arguments then perhaps your assertion above might make sense.
    I don't know, maybe because it saves lives? That is the motivation behind it all, isn't it? I mean, you do agree, all diseases can kill if not treated correctly. So, why not save more lives by having Hygiene ed classes, or Worm classes! It'll SAVE LIVES!

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    Re: Premarital Abstinence Pledges Ineffective, Study Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    While were at it why not teach them the year to year history of every single country and empire ever to exist in the entire world?

    Why? Because there is limited teaching time and the curriculum must be focused to relevant information. STD's and reproduction are completely relevant and something 95% of the students being taught will have experience with. If a teacher is going to teach about STD's then they should also teach protection against them.
    99% of students also experiance influenza and chickenpox at one point in life.

    Here, I'll throw you another bone: HYGIENE CLASSES.

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    Re: Premarital Abstinence Pledges Ineffective, Study Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    99% of students also experiance influenza and chickenpox at one point in life.

    Here, I'll throw you another bone: HYGIENE CLASSES.
    These are all situations that are assumed to have been learned before the student reaches a grade level that has actual "health class". You might as well add a class teaching how to tie your shoes as well. Personally I have yet to meet a high school student who didn't know how to not get the flu or how to eliminate it or the same with chicken pox.

    In the matter of reproduction and STD's though, the age of the students when these items are taught are when they are able to start reproducing and also more likely to get an STD.
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