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    Re: Premarital Abstinence Pledges Ineffective, Study Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    How is that being intellectually dishonest?

    What I find interesting is Sarah Palin got pregnant and then married her husband. There she is promoting abstinence programs and her daughter gets pregnant? The irony is laughable.
    More "predictable" than laughable, I'd say.

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    Re: Premarital Abstinence Pledges Ineffective, Study Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    So are you being intellectually dishonest or are you just ignorant.

    This WaPo report about a study says nothing about broader abstinence programs. It simply says that, "Teenagers who pledge to remain virgins until marriage are just as likely to have premarital sex as those who do not promise abstinence..."

    That says nothing about the success or failure of abstinence programs. The WaPo article is extremely misleading when it reports, "The study is the latest in a series that have raised questions about programs that focus on encouraging abstinence until marriage, including those that specifically ask students to publicly declare their intention to remain virgins."

    No, the study raises questions abut the effectiveness of abstinence-only pledges.

    Class dismissed.
    The abstinence only programs have, repeatedly, through research data, been shown to be completely ineffective at preventing teen pregnancies and STDs. In some cases there is no difference between the results of abstinence only programs verse comprehensive sex education; in others, those who received abstinence only sex education had more teen pregnancies and STDs. Abstinence only is a total failure, proven by the evidence.

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    Re: Premarital Abstinence Pledges Ineffective, Study Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Who is not laying down standards? No one is saying abstience should not be taught. Only that despite any "decision groups" that exist on the subject of sex, all should have a full understanding of the subject.

    You can't make intelligent decisions if you are ignorant on the topic.
    Sex education programs aren't all that comprehensive. They are "neutral" education and under no circumstances are they to allowed encourage or discourage sexual activity. The criteria is pretty much laid out for each state and so far no state has made any changes.


    Giving teens a ring and saying sex is evil will only affect a very small minority that truly believe in abstinence, whatever their reasons.
    Yeah...you didn't read my post did you? I actually agreed with that.


    So no education for teens is better then one that works only on small groups?

    The problem with overhauling it is that the conservative religious right don't want their children learning about sex. They believe that teaching equates to permission. If they ignore the topic then it doesn't exist.
    No, you didn't read the post nor did you want to comprehend what I said.

    Scapegoating the religious right while trying to ignore the need for a two teir program instead of a mediocre single teir program is just sad. The program needs an overhaul, not teachers who might on their own deviate occasionally to be more comprehensive on the subject.

    But then its pretty sad that we've already written off underage teen abstinence. Granted, thats a parental issue but seeing abject parental failure is just not cool.
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    Re: Premarital Abstinence Pledges Ineffective, Study Finds

    Abstinence-only programs work!
    Michelle Duggar swears by them!
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...8th-child.html

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    Re: Premarital Abstinence Pledges Ineffective, Study Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    I would love to see the Obama Administration STOP funding the abstinence program. It doesn't work. Let's make this about teaching children about sexually transmitted diseases and preventing pregnancy.
    Vowes don't stop the divorce rate, why should this be any diferent?

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    Re: Premarital Abstinence Pledges Ineffective, Study Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    I guess those rings are made out of 24K gold?
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    Re: Premarital Abstinence Pledges Ineffective, Study Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post
    Abstinence-only programs work!
    Michelle Duggar swears by them!
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...8th-child.html
    Michelle Duggar, the MARRIED woman that has a son that is engaged and has only held hands with his prospective bride?

    Great example!

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    Re: Premarital Abstinence Pledges Ineffective, Study Finds

    I don't believe Sex ed (or abstinence) should be taught in public schools because parents have no control over who is teaching there children or what is being taught to them. I understand there are structured programs that teachers are SUPPOSED to follow. However each teacher is human and will spin things the way they perceive will be a benefit to the ones being taught. This may not be the preferred viewpoint of the parents. Sexual Education is way too subjective to be taught in public schools.

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    Re: Premarital Abstinence Pledges Ineffective, Study Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    I don't believe Sex ed (or abstinence) should be taught in public schools because parents have no control over who is teaching there children or what is being taught to them. I understand there are structured programs that teachers are SUPPOSED to follow. However each teacher is human and will spin things the way they perceive will be a benefit to the ones being taught. This may not be the preferred viewpoint of the parents. Sexual Education is way too subjective to be taught in public schools.
    Thats what I was getting at. Sex should be left to the parents. I remember when I first attended a sex-ed presentation when I was in middle school. It was with my parents and they agreed with the general message of it; however, they still said they rather I stayed home and teach it to me, instead of through a program.

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    Re: Premarital Abstinence Pledges Ineffective, Study Finds

    Thats what I was getting at. Sex should be left to the parents.
    Being a parent doesn't require a teaching certificate, or any certification at all.
    It is not in society's best interest that young people be sent into the world with inaccurate knowledge of sex, or with no information at all about it.
    And this is what will happen, if everything is left 'to the parents' discretion".
    Some parents simply have none.
    Some parents suffer from mental retardation. Yes, i knew a guy whose parents are both mentally retarded, and he isn't.
    Some parents belong to strange cults.
    Some parents are mentally ill.

    No. It cannot be left "to the parents".
    It is a subject like any other, and should be taught that way: just the facts.

    If parents wish to supplements these fact with some sort of morality training, that is the part they are free to do at home.
    But their is no adequate excuse (including "who cares if it's taught in school? They'll learn it from their friends anyway. I did.") for public schools not teaching the basic scientific facts of anatomy and reproduction.

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