[QUOTE=Lachean;1057868273]That's not quite how it went, and you gave me reason to believe you were making moral value judgements when you claimed "if everyone waited until they were married" and used the word "pleasure" with contempt. Besides, many other posts of yours on theology that I've seen are evidence that supports my belief as well; not that they are relevant.
Fine, fine, I'll use better word choice next time. It was actually refferencing to a different arguement. But yea, next time.
IF they're having sex because they aren't abstaining? There is a difference in pledging abstainance, and actually doing it. Thats why I never favoured it. I can't promise the future bur at the present, I can promise I am abstaining and have always been.However, if you're done you're done. But the fact remains that abstinence is not 100% effective, abstinence pledges are in fact ineffective and cause worse results. Also, people can get HPV for example without ever having had sex or contaminated medical products.
Why? Is sex all their is to enjoy in post-puberty? I find there to be much more in life than that.Sure I'll agree that its highly unlikely that a celibate would ever get an STD in their life; I just wouldn't call those years past puberty "living," nor is marriage any protection either, given cheating and the divorce rate.
*thinks for a moment*Your argument is no more to the point to me than the fact that an indoor cat lives longer than an outdoor cat. Not everyone plans to be married, nor are people deterred by appeals to fear.
I don't do things for fear of the worst case scenario, that would be a miserable standard for living. You've got to have a better reason for abstinence than the possible negative outcomes of sex...
Is it the "fear" that turns you off, or is it the fact its just hard to do?
Yes. I think its so great that I want my first time to be with no one other than my wife. I don't favour the idea of "casual sex". I want sex to be special each time and the first time to be the most special.You do really how GREAT sex is don't you?
Sorry, I must have skimmed over it or something. It was basically in...attitude... in reference to one particulur argument, not really universal.I asked you several times the reasons for your word choices with such contempt, you ignored them. You left me with no reason but to speculate why "marriage" as an institution is worth the wait.
The only judgements that have come from me, I think at least, has been catholics(due to the entire history involved, and the fact they are not run like a "church") and to a lesser extent, gays.Or why "pleasure" is a poor reason. And if you think "nothing" reflects your posting history of being a judgmental Christian, you should really do a search of your posts...
well, it is. One comeing to a conclusion of where a person is going to go to in the afterlife is not christian, its just being a little arrogant that, somehow, one has the the authority to make that call. Last time I checked, God has that authority, not christians.I have VERY MANY reasons for believing you are how you are. Especially when you talk about "bad Christians" or describe a particular kind of Christianity. Didn't you say that "Well, I tell you, thats not christian. thats baloney" to those who claim that I'm going to hell for my lack of faith?
But I digress.
I do make pretentious judgements at times, but so does everyone else. I do not believe my religion causes me to make judgements, rather, it just influences what group will be on the receiving end...either way, it is wrong and...I apologize...
Edit: wow....I....do have an ego....
ouch....Please, help me w/ my reading skills.