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Israeli air strikes target Gaza

Laila said:
... allegedly was using the mosque ...
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Israel wouldn't be hitting it if there wasn't a reason to do so.

It's not like this isn't a known tactic.

The Iraqi insurgents use the exclusion zones for this purpose regularly.

This is why I dislike the exclusion zones.
 
cherokee said:
Thank you for your honest reply.

How would you deal with the Hamas if you were Israel?
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No problem.

Its a complex issue with Hamas as part of the reason they are in power lies within the conflict but i would with the help of the more moderate Arab countries try and remove the reasons Hamas is in power to begin with and get Egypt to patrol their borders more. I would not have used collective punishment for Hamas throwing rockets. Force and violence as much as it sounds good, will not do anything to help formulate a long term agreement

If Israel truley wished to stop Hamas firing rockets, instead of going after Hamas they should have attacked Iran - the purse behind the rockets [Not that i advocate attacking Iran]
 
EgoffTib,

Did you reply to post 1325 or did I miss it?
 
Vader said:
The Iraqi insurgents use the exclusion zones for this purpose regularly.

This is why I dislike the exclusion zones.
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Was it not certain Mosques that wasn't allowed to be entered in Iraq or have i got it wrong?
 
Laila said:
Not civilians but when its targeting solders, it is a legitimate method of war aimed at harming the enemy just resulting in the person being killed
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Suicide bombing military targets is not something that I think is inherently wrong. However, when engaging military targets international law dictates that one must be in uniform. Hiding among civilians violates the Geneva Convention and, as Hamas is realizing, puts civilians in extreme danger. Hamas takes every opportunity to embrace cowardice and has no qualms violating international law or any peace agreements that the infinitely more powerful Israel offers it.
 
Laila said:
No problem.

Its a complex issue with Hamas as part of the reason they are in power lies within the conflict but i would with the help of the more moderate Arab countries try and remove the reasons Hamas is in power to begin with and get Egypt to patrol their borders more. I would not have used collective punishment for Hamas throwing rockets. Force and violence as much as it sounds good, will not do anything to help formulate a long term agreement

If Israel truley wished to stop Hamas firing rockets, instead of going after Hamas they should have attacked Iran - the purse behind the rockets [Not that i advocate attacking Iran]
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What other Arab countries will side with a quest to remove the Hamas or attacking Iran?
 
Laila said:
Was it not certain Mosques that wasn't allowed to be entered in Iraq or have i got it wrong?
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You're not allowed to bomb any places of worship unless they are being used in a military manner thus removing them from a "No target" list.
 
cherokee said:
What other Arab countries will side with a quest to remove the Hamas or attacking Iran?
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Egypt was pissed at Hamas before Israel attacked.
Saudi Arabia was annoyed and support Abbas
Jordan wasn't happy

Yet all 3 of those countries who has peace agreements with Israel are under pressure because of those agreements.
Hell there are calls to tear up the peace agreement and all this attack has suceeded in doing is revitalising Hamas support.

Peace will not come from Israel standing up to Hamas but other Arab countries and Palestinians.

This is what i was did not want from from this attack:

Daoud Kuttab - Has Israel's Gaza Attack Revived Hamas? - washingtonpost.com

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/31/world/middleeast/31arabs.html
 
Kernel Sanders said:
Hamas takes every opportunity to embrace cowardice and has no qualms violating international law or any peace agreements that the infinitely more powerful Israel offers it.
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Don't disagree, hiding behind children is nothing to be proud of
 
bub said:
Collateral damages are inevitable in a war. But there are still many civilians killed in Gaza.

Do you think it's a good tactic to kill some of them (by accident) so that they reject the Hamas? Do you think it's what Israel does, and do you support it?
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I support the offensive and the goals Israel is trying to accomplish. Of course, I am sad for innocents who are killed, but what about innocent Israelis? War sucks, but Hamas brought this on the Gazans and no one else.
 
EgoffTib said:
Gave back land after they had taken almost all of it. Very impressive attempt at peacemaking. In the future, if you do not know what you are talking about, it's best not to open your mouth.

http://www.zionismexplained.org/map/landmap1.jpg
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They took the land after a war in which the Arabs committed the first act of war - like Hamas did in this instance.
 
cherokee said:
You're not allowed to bomb any places of worship unless they are being used in a military manner thus removing them from a "No target" list.
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Ohh, well thats good news.
Lets not piss off the locals even more.

If Hamas hid weapons in God's buildings, in Mosques then they should be neutered under the islamic law they love so much :/
I hate hearing about Mosques being destroyed
 
ludahai said:
It was a League of Nations mandate granted to the UK, but Britain was not sovereign over it, not like a colony anyway.
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UK should take it back
 
Laila said:
Egypt was pissed at Hamas before Israel attacked.
Saudi Arabia was annoyed and support Abbas
Jordan wasn't happy

Yet all 3 of those countries who has peace agreements with Israel are under pressure because of those agreements.
Hell there are calls to tear up the peace agreement and all this attack has suceeded in doing is revitalising Hamas support.

Peace will not come from Israel standing up to Hamas but other Arab countries and Palestinians.

This is what i was did not want from from this attack:

Daoud Kuttab - Has Israel's Gaza Attack Revived Hamas? - washingtonpost.com

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/31/world/middleeast/31arabs.html
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says it all doesn't it?

“Israel would be satisfied with a compromise, but the Arab regimes want to finish Hamas completely,” Mr. Amine said.

They cannot openly say so, he added, because Hamas is a Sunni movement, unlike Hezbollah, which Saudi Arabia and Egypt — both of them Sunni-led countries — publicly criticized at the start of the summer 2006 war with Israel.
 
cherokee said:
says it all doesn't it?

“Israel would be satisfied with a compromise, but the Arab regimes want to finish Hamas completely,” Mr. Amine said.

They cannot openly say so, he added, because Hamas is a Sunni movement, unlike Hezbollah, which Saudi Arabia and Egypt — both of them Sunni-led countries — publicly criticized at the start of the summer 2006 war with Israel.
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Exactly.
All that has been achieved is ensuring that Hamas stays.
Now all Hamas needs to say it has defeated Israel is survival. If Hamas survives this attack they can claim they withstood Israel :roll:

Hamas support amongst the Islamic world and amongst the Palestinians itself was low yet people have rallied behind Hamas in this attack.
Why? Because despite the fact they hate Hamas. They would rather side with fellow Arabs over Israel as the Governments would and is getting it in the neck for not doing enough to stop Israel :/
 
Khayembii Communique said:
Deaths as Israel hits Gaza mosque

At least 11 Palestinians, including one child, have been killed after Israeli forces struck a mosque during prayers in the town of Beit Lahiya, north of Jabaliya in the Gaza Strip.

More than 200 people were inside the the Ibrahim al-Maqadna mosque praying when it was struck.


Short article so I couldn't quote the whole thing because of DP rules, but best quote:

"The Israeli military has destroyed several mosques during its week-long offensive in Gaza, saying Hamas uses the houses of worship to store weapons."

The moment you start justifying the killing of civilians as legitimate military targets is the moment you stop distinguishing between civilians and enemies. This is total war.

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Perhaps Hamas shouldn't store mutitions in mosques.
 
EgoffTib said:
If you are going to make an attempt at debating, please try to comprehend what is being discussed. The post you quoted was in response to the article talking about Israel attacking a mercy ship, not a weapon storage facility.
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That ship was trying to run a blockade. They should have stopped for inspection!
 
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