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Israeli air strikes target Gaza

bub said:
According to the EU, the UN etc...they are illegal, but I guess you are not bothered by that.
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The EU and UN don't bother me, their insignificant.
 
MrVicchio said:
The EU and UN don't bother me, their insignificant.
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yeah, i've guessed that it was useless to discuss about it when I read your signature
 
MrVicchio said:
No, it was more moral relativism and poorly considered thought. Israel attacks Hamas for launching rockets, which you and TNE cheer on each flight, and they launch them from on top of peoples houses... they DO this so that people like you will cry foul about the civilian deaths.
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I am not for rocket attacks.... Stop it.
 
They could try bagels and cream cheese. :rofl

PS... Could somebody call in a clean up on aisle 6? This thread is like 4 times the size it supposed to be because that picture above needs to be downsized to proportion.
 
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Big deal.
1 Hamas terrorist died, woo! Lets all pat Israel on the back

Meanwhile, how many terrorists do you think have been created during this conflict seeing people are being recruited for suicide/fighting within Gaza.

Always nice to see the results of the airstrikes outweigh the casulties :roll:
 
Laila said:
Big deal.
1 Hamas terrorist died, woo! Lets all pat Israel on the back

Meanwhile, how many terrorists do you think have been created during this conflict seeing people are being recruited for suicide/fighting within Gaza.

Always nice to see the results of the airstrikes outweigh the casulties :roll:
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Every new terrorist that rises up is a soon to be dead terrorist. Until people like you, and those over there accept that terrorist attacks are the CAUSE of the air strikes...

You'll never understand whose really at fault in all this.
 
MrVicchio said:
You'll never understand whose really at fault in all this.
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BOTH Israelis and Palestinians?

Only the blind stupidly blame 100% everything on one side or the other
 
Laila said:
Big deal.
1 Hamas terrorist died, woo! Lets all pat Israel on the back

Meanwhile, how many terrorists do you think have been created during this conflict seeing people are being recruited for suicide/fighting within Gaza.

Always nice to see the results of the airstrikes outweigh the casulties :roll:
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As I said in the other thread, that is not true. 75% of the casualties were Hamas members. I disagree with the raid because I think it will be totally inefficient, but I won't cry for dead terrorists who launch rockets at civilians.
 
The raid will be useless no matter how many die seeing it'll only help in recruiting more.
I feel so sorry for those stuck in the middle
 
I just tried responding to your post, Laila, and the message field was not there. I tried it again and the same thing happened. Has anyone else experienced this?

Anyway, remember, Laila, when I said that defending Hamas would slowly make you lose your appearance of reasonableness and/or rationality?

I can see it happening slowly.
 
Laila said:
The raid will be useless no matter how many die seeing it'll only help in recruiting more.
I feel so sorry for those stuck in the middle
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you should not feel sorry for Hamas members, they share responsibility for what's happening in Gaza along with bad Israeli policies.
 
bub said:
you should not feel sorry for Hamas members, they share responsibility for what's happening in Gaza along with bad Israeli policies.
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Hamas are not those stuck in the middle.

The civilians are.
 
bhkad said:
Anyway, remember, Laila, when I said that defending Hamas would slowly make you lose your appearance of reasonableness and/or rationality?

I can see it happening slowly.
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I don't defend Hamas.
I just do not defend Israel in this raid

It will be useless.
It will achieve nothing.
 
Laila said:
I don't defend Hamas.
I just do not defend Israel in this raid

It will be useless.
It will achieve nothing.
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If the Palestinians are against Hamas, and are merely unable to stand up to them- if they're being oppressed and held captive by Hamas- then it will acheive something.
Destroying Hamas will free them, even if at a terrible cost (ie, some civilian lives).

If, on the other hand, most of the Palastinians are in agreement with Hamas, and support Hamas, then I agree that destroying Hamas is useless and will acheive nothing, except to make the Palestinians hate Israel even more, and to make them an even greater threat to Israel.
 
Laila said:
Hamas are not those stuck in the middle.

The civilians are.
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Yes, and 75% of the casualties are Hamas members.

You can feel sad for the civilians, as I am and as evryone should be, but don't say that 400 innocent Palestinians were killed!
 
1069 said:
If the Palestinians are against Hamas, and are merely unable to stand up to them- if they're being oppressed and held captive by Hamas- then it will acheive something.
Destroying Hamas will free them, even if at a terrible cost (ie, some civilian lives).

If, on the other hand, most of the Palastinians are in agreement with Hamas, and support Hamas, then I agree that destroying Hamas is useless and will acheive nothing, except to make the Palestinians hate Israel even more, and to make them an even greater threat to Israel.
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Even those Palestinians who disliked Hamas inside Gaza will stand with them against Israel who they would see as killing them.
Israel's attacks if unsuccessful is destroying Hamas will only have ensured Hamas's strength and influence grows.
Lets not forget what occured in 06, Hezbollah as a result has grown even more powerful within Lebanon and the Arab world after Israel pulled out under international pressure, the same thing will occur this time round.
Israel's attacks has done the moderate Arab Governments who were speaking out against Hamas no favours whatsoever. They are in a dangerous position where the public is against them meaning even those strongest allied with US will not speak out against Hamas as they would be seen as accomplices with Israel in the deaths.
Egypt is already facing the wrath of Arab anger for being too cuddly with Israel. No other Muslim Government will be stupid enough to make the same mistake twice.

Nothing will come from this except deeper divisions within this conflict and Arab world
 
bub said:
You can feel sad for the civilians, as I am and as evryone should be, but don't say that 400 innocent Palestinians were killed!
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I stated all 400 Palestinians are innocent?
I would love to see you quote that

I recall stating a fact: 400 dead Palestinians, 1 commander.

True no?
 
Laila said:
Even those Palestinians who disliked Hamas inside Gaza will stand with them against Israel who they would see as killing them.
Israel's attacks if unsuccessful is destroying Hamas will only have ensured Hamas's strength and influence grows.
Lets not forget what occured in 06, Hezbollah as a result has grown even more powerful within Lebanon and the Arab world after Israel pulled out under international pressure, the same thing will occur this time round.
Israel's attacks has done the moderate Arab Governments who were speaking out against Hamas no favours whatsoever. They are in a dangerous position where the public is against them meaning even those strongest allied with US will not speak out against Hamas as they would be seen as accomplices with Israel in the deaths.
Egypt is already facing the wrath of Arab anger for being too cuddly with Israel. No other Muslim Government will be stupid enough to make the same mistake twice.

Nothing will come from this except deeper divisions within this conflict and Arab world
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I find this logic, or lack thereof, fascinating. So what tactic works with terrorists who seem bent on blowing up your citizens?

It is illogical to think that Hammas or Hezbolah or any other of the many terrorist groups running rampant in the ME gives a damn about negotiating or compromising.

I guess you think the better tactic for Israel is to just give up ALL Arab lands and ignore the terrorist attacks, the missile attacks and bombings and play nice with the terrorist thugs who many, like yourself, seem to think they have a "just" cause.

It's amazing to me the level of ignorance and denial that it must take to think that these brutal murdering thugs can be talked to or reasoned with. There's only ONE thing these thugs understand; the muzzle barrel of a gun to their heads.

But hey, I am all for being edumacated on the ways of Liberal appeasement; please educate me on the CORRECT tactics for dealing with terrorist thugs.
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Laila said:
I stated all 400 Palestinians are innocent?
I would love to see you quote that

I recall stating a fact: 400 dead Palestinians, 1 commander.

True no?
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OK sorry I read your post too fast
 
Truth Detector said:
But hey, I am all for being edumacated on the ways of Liberal appeasement; please educate me on the CORRECT tactics for dealing with terrorist thugs.
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You mean like when Hamas said it may accept a brokered ceasefire? Like that sort of negotiating that is beyond Hamas you mean?

Why do Conservatives throw the word 'liberal' in an arguement? What a wonderful way to win a arguement :/

This method has been used numerous times by Israel and the results of them are loud and clear. WHAT WOULD MAKE THIS RAID ANY DIFFERENT?
Violence creates more violence, not stabilty, especially in one of the most volatile regions of this world in the most complex conflict!
 
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