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Israeli air strikes target Gaza

I'll admit that I was wrong regarding you not blaming Hamas -- but you'll get no apology.

You admit you were wrong but you won't apologize?

What's your major malfunction?
 
Well, of course -- the US is pro-Israel, and the EU is not.

No the EU is more in place to be a fair broker.
It condemns when it is needed whereas US will always support Israel, no matter the circumstances.

US have and always will be anti-muslim/Arab/Palestinian [whatever phrase you want to use], pro Israel.
Its the way it is therefore any attempts by US to show it wants peace or justice is insulting and will never be taken seriously.
 
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What damage?
A few shops hit by rockets?
Sure, show that.
And also show what Israel is doing in Gaza and the casulties that has occured.

US would allow Israel to let go of a Nuke if they thought they could get away with it :roll:

Wow...Unceasing rocket attacks and the only real damage is some coffee shops having their windows broken?

The civilian casualties in Gaza are a direct consequence of Arabs and Muslims staging and firing their rockets from among civilians. The Arabs and Muslims funding and planning these attacks are directly responsible.

We see over and over that Israel takes unprecedented actions to avoid civilian casualties. Recall in 2006 when fighting Hezbollah, the Israeli's dropped leaflets prior to bombing warning residents that Israel wuld be attacking Hezbollah facilities in thier neighborhoods. Notifying your enemy when you're going to attack and where you're going to attack is unprecedented.
 
Notifying your enemy when you're going to attack and where you're going to attack is unprecedented.

IRA gave warnings before bombings took place.

Not as unprecedented as you'd like to imagine.

Wow...Unceasing rocket attacks and the only real damage is some coffee shops having their windows broken?


Well yeah, 8 years of rocketing. 14-20 Israeli civilians dead.
 
No the EU is more in place to be a fair broker.
It condemns when it is needed whereas US will always support Israel, no matter the circumstances.

US have and always will be anti-muslim/Arab/Palestinian [whatever phrase you want to use], pro Israel.
Its the way it is therefore any attempts at US to show it wants peace or justice is insulting and will never be taken seriously.

I see, the EU is a more fair brokering agent than the US because the EU has convinced itself that indiscriminately attacking civilians is more justifiable than defending yourself from such attacks.

The US is rightly a pro-democracy ally of Israel seeking to defend a lone democracy from the terror inflicted upon her existence by totalitarian regimes surrounding her.

I know you've bought the terrorists propaganda hook, line, and sinker, but don't expect others to do so. :roll:
 
Perhaps. The point is, though, that such concessions have not resulted in peace but only more and increased attacks by the Arabs and Muslims. Disagree?

Everytime that land is conceded there is no peace, just more and more violent attacks against Israel.

Nonsense. These groups exist for one purpose...to eliminate the state of Israel. They do not exist to diplomatically resolve the occupation question. They exist explicitly because they and their suitors cannot tolerate that Israel exists.

Now you're revealing your ignorance. What you said doesn't make any sense.

The driving purpose of Hamas and Hezbollah ain't to recover occupied land that Israel captured when defending herself against attacks from other Middle East nations. They're charters reveal their ambition, their objective.

Israel is not conceding land for peace. They were conceding it because they were losing. Your Ideology blinds you from seeing the truth behind Hezbollah and Hamas. They are terrible, criminal organizations to be sure, but they were formed as resistance groups to Israel occupation. The ME has a history of sharp rhetoric towards Israel, yet they do not go to war. Do you see a pattern?
 
The US is rightly a pro-democracy ally of Israel seeking to defend a lone democracy from the terror inflicted upon her existence by totalitarian regimes surrounding her.

I know you've bought the terrorists propaganda hook, line, and sinker, but don't expect others to do so. :roll:

Because the EU is not firmly on one side or the other and never have been, it condemns both sides when needed.
US has never/rarely condemned Israel. Hell, it refused to condemn it in 06 when 2,000 civilians died!

'Pro Democracy' Hah. If you say so.

What exactly is the 'terrorist propaganda'?
And why would i be susceptible to it?
 
Perhaps. The point is, though, that such concessions have not resulted in peace but only more and increased attacks by the Arabs and Muslims. Disagree?

Everytime that land is conceded there is no peace, just more and more violent attacks against Israel.
I wonder how long it will be before certain people figure out that the only thing the terrorists want is the destruction of Israel, and as such, there cannot be any sort of negotiated settlement with them.
 
IRA gave warnings before bombings took place.

Not as unprecedented as you'd like to imagine.

I don't see an equivalency between terrorists giving notice of a bombing and a nation telling residents and the terrorists hiding among them that they would be attacking.

Well yeah, 8 years of rocketing. 14-20 Israeli civilians dead.

Yeah, that's it... :roll:

My goodness...

So if more Israeli's had been killed you'd see that Israeli response as justified? I doubt that very much.

Your intellectual dishonesty and bad faith are duly noted.
 
So if more Israeli's had been killed you'd see that Israeli response as justified? I doubt that very much.

If Israelis suffered even half as many casulties as Palestinians then hell yes

Its because the casulties is so much higher on one side i have come down more on the Palestinians side in this attack
 
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Israel is not conceding land for peace. They were conceding it because they were losing.

They weren't conceding land for peace? Well, you'll have a tough time persuading the Israeli's of that.

Your Ideology blinds you from seeing the truth behind Hezbollah and Hamas.

Oh shut up. My ideology has nothing to do with determining what the objectives are of these groups. Their charters are quite explicit.

They are terrible, criminal organizations to be sure, but they were formed as resistance groups to Israel occupation. The ME has a history of sharp rhetoric towards Israel, yet they do not go to war. Do you see a pattern?

They don't go to war? Are you sure you want to argue this?

The ME has a history of actual war against Israel and in current times war by proxy with Hamas and Hezbollah being used by Iran, Syria, and others to wage war against Israel.

This is indisputable.
 
Because the EU is not firmly on one side or the other and never have been, it condemns both sides when needed.

In other words, Europes issues false condemnations to avoid being attacked by the terrorists. I know. Their condemnations are simply propaganda fodder for the terrorists. To the useful idiots in Europe, Israel should simply tolerate being attacked in order to avoid disporportionately harming the very people killing Israeli's.

And you find credence in these condemnations? Of course not. Like the Arabs and Muslims, you see these condemnations as merely propaganda tools.

US has never/rarely condemned Israel. Hell, it refused to condemn it in 06 when 2,000 civilians died!

No condemnation would be a real condemnation for you. Just admit it.

'Pro Democracy' Hah. If you say so.

It's not a democracy?

Well, for anti-semites, I'm sure Israel is just some evil American puppet...or is it the other way around? :roll:

What exactly is the 'terrorist propaganda'?
And why would i be susceptible to it?

The absurd rhetoric that they are resistance fighters fighting for liberation and are innocent victims of a Jewish conspiracy.

I don't know why you subscribe to this crap.
 
If Israelis suffered even half as many casulties as Palestinians then hell yes

Its because the casulties is so much higher on one side i have come down more on the Palestinians side in this attack

I see, you side with the terrorists because Israel is more successful at killing terrorists. Got it.

Ooops, that's right, Israel doesn't kill terrorists, they indiscriminately kill civilians, right? :roll:

No, you side with the Arabs and Muslims because you also believe that Israel is an illegitimate nation.
 
Your Ideology blinds you from seeing the truth behind Hezbollah and Hamas. They are terrible, criminal organizations to be sure, but they were formed as resistance groups to Israel occupation. The ME has a history of sharp rhetoric towards Israel, yet they do not go to war. Do you see a pattern?
Speaking of ideology blinding you...

Hamas, etc, believe that the state of Israel itself 'occupies' Palestine, and they will not stop until the entirety of "Palestine" is liberated - defined by them as the destruction of Israel.
 
The absurd rhetoric that they are resistance fighters fighting for liberation and are innocent victims of a Jewish conspiracy.

I don't know why you subscribe to this crap.

Are you ****ing kidding me?
I think that is the most retarded goddamn notion i have ever heard.
Liberation and even perhaps opression i can maybe maybe swallow but jewish conspiracy? Any Muslim who swallows such crap is sick in the head.
 
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They don't go to war? Are you sure you want to argue this?

The ME has a history of actual war against Israel and in current times war by proxy with Hamas and Hezbollah being used by Iran, Syria, and others to wage war against Israel.

This is indisputable.

Yeah, I don't want to argue that. Its definitely wrong :3oops:
 
No, you side with the Arabs and Muslims because you also believe that Israel is an illegitimate nation.

Nah, i side with the Palestinians more because more innocent civilians have been injured compared to Israel.

No, i recognise Israel and as such, i'll condemn it when i think its in the wrong.
 
And you find credence in these condemnations? Of course not. Like the Arabs and Muslims, you see these condemnations as merely propaganda tools.

Propaganda tools for what?
I view it as recognising when something is occuring which is wrong morally.
 
Yeah, I don't want to argue that. Its definitely wrong :3oops:

Can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.

But you are aware that the arab states in the ME have waged open war against Israel, right?

And that they continue to wage via proxy now, right? Or are Hamas and Hezbollah simply independent socio-economic organizations funded by NGO's?

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Nah, i side with the Palestinians more because more innocent civilians have been injured compared to Israel.

Despite the fact that these civilian casualties are a direct consequence of the Palestinians, errr, Arabs and Muslims, voluntarily choosing to stage and fight from among civilians?

I view it as recognising when something is occuring which is wrong morally.

I see. So condemning Israel is warranted because they inflict civilian casualties while they are attacking legitimate targets that stage and fight from among civilians?

Curious, where is Europe's condemnation of the Arabs and Muslims waging this war against Israel? Where are your condemnations?

Why is it that the UN has not passed a single condemnation of the Arabs and Muslims who have been terrorizing Israeli's for decades?

So much for your condemnations. They are merely propaganda fodder, plain and simple.

At worst, they signal your indifference to Israeli casualties, your hypocrisy regarding the morality of Israeli actions and the actions of those groups and nations dedicated to the destruction of the Jewish state, and your intellectual dishonesty and bad faith in this argument.
 
It's quite sad to have to label those you disagree with
I'll try not to let that hurt my feelings or cause me to lose any sleep.
 
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