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Israeli air strikes target Gaza

Declaring that all sides are equally guilty because none are perfect is a sort of moralistic fornication.

All sides are guilty, Arabs and Israelis not to mention UK/US/International Community.
Only a fool says 1 side is innocent and the other guilty
 
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How are palestinians expected to foster a climate of goodwill in which moderate positions can be adopted under such circumstances? . . .
Step 1 for the Palestinians: Abandon homicidal mania and overwhelming hatred as substitutes for civilized behavior and cooperative exchange.
 
Step 1 for the Palestinians: Abandon homicidal mania and overwhelming hatred as substitutes for civilized behavior and cooperative exchange.

Please re-read the post and reply accordingly
 
Well, considering that the Muslims had been on the offensive for centuries, it was also a necessary evil.

I think you mean defensive.
It was the Pope who declared the attack, remember and Christians coming to ME wiping out Jerusalem of Muslims and Jews and even killing Eastern Christians until "blood ran until ankle deep"

Hell, don't even try the crusades. We all know that was the era of christian barbaric behaviour. They should have taken a leaf out of Saladin's book. You see, he actually spared the settlers when Jerusalem was reconquered.
 
All sides are guilty, Arabs and Israelis not to mention UK/US/International Community.
Only a fool says 1 side is innocent and the other guilty

That's what a reasonable person would assume. And you seem to be a reasonable person, Laila.

But, from your POV, what has Israel failed to do to try bringing about peace?
 
I think this support of Israel is decidedly unfair, They have been blockading the Gaza strip for decades now denying the Palestinians access to safe water, electricity, food and medical supplies. Not to mention the uncharged detention of hundreds of young palestinian men.

How are palestinians expected to foster a climate of goodwill in which moderate positions can be adopted under such circumstances? Israelies live in a relatively peaceful and exteremly prosperous society, Palestinians live in an impoverished society where incursions by Israeli forces are commonplace.

I realise that Zionists belive Israel is responding to 'terrorist' attacks and defending herself but the reality is that Palestine does not have and almost certainly never will have the ability to destroy Israel. Hamas's rhetoric will never become reality. The reality is that this is an extremely asymetric war. Since september 2000 Palestinians have killed 123 Israeli children, over the same time period Israeli forces have killed 1050 Palestinian children (not including indriect deaths caused by resource blockades). This when Israels population is roughly double.

The ball is in Israels court, tit for tat retaliations are simply not a viable response. Releaseing 224 prisoners who were never charged or who had never even hurt an Israeli citizen is similarly not a viable response. This conflict can only be solved if Israel allows ecenomic properity to flourish in the West Bank and Gaza strip, I think given the choice between supporting Hamas in a impossible and unwinnable war and living in peace and prosperity the choice is obvious for all to see. The reason the palestinians have not chosen the latter is that they do not have that choice at the moment.

Very well said, welcome to DP
 
That's what a reasonable person would assume. And you seem to be a reasonable person, Laila.

But, from your POV, what has Israel failed to do to try bringing about peace?

I have already stated what i'd rather like Israel to do instead of attacking civilian areas some pages back

'Reasonable person'?
Im not going to support air strikes against civilians so give up on me.
 
Israeli jets kill ‘at least 225’ in revenge strikes on Gaza - Times Online

Israel yesterday launched its largest raid on Gaza with two waves of air attacks that killed at least 225 people and injured more than 700, according to Palestinian doctors.

Children on their way home from school and policemen parading for a graduation ceremony were the principal victims of a bloody few hours that left the territory in flames.

The short but brutal aerial blitz — codenamed Operation Cast Lead — was aimed at targets held by the Islamic fundamentalists of Hamas, which seized control of the Gaza Strip 18 months ago.

Anyone reckon Israel is aiming for 1,000 civilians? :roll: 24hrs, over 700 injured. 200 dead.
 
I think this support of Israel is decidedly unfair, They have been blockading the Gaza strip for decades now denying the Palestinians access to safe water, electricity, food and medical supplies. Not to mention the uncharged detention of hundreds of young palestinian men.

The borders have been closed for decades because of security reasons to protect the citizens of Israel. Not to hurt the Palestinains. When the borders were open terrorists bombings were almost a daily occurence.

I remember when I was a kid you could not turn on the radio or tv with out hearing of a another cafe resort market bus etc being bombed or some other terrorist action by militant Arabs in Israel. And they entered via the Border crossing sites.

And in those days Europe to. Bombings of El Al ticket counters at the air ports and of course the Munich tragedy by the PLO Fatah faction under Yasser Arafats control

I am not saying that Israel is perfect. But ALL the suffering of the Arabs in Gaza and the West Bank can be layed at the feet of the terrorists.

It is no coincidence that every time a peace process is started that the terrorists step up their attacks to insure it's failure.

They are the sole reason that the cycle of blood shed continues and why the borders are always being closed.

If the Arabs truly want to show Israeli aggression then the way to do it is through peaceful means. If the terrorists disbanded and the Arabs truly wanted to settle the conflict peacefully and still the Israeli's refused and would not change their policies towards them THEN the Arabs would have a bona fide case of agression that nobody could deny.

But as it is now, It is obvious that the Israeli government/military actions are defensive in nature and not offensive.

Moe
 
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Everyone seems to have "forgotten" Israel's military attack on the tunnel during the ceasefire or is it just Hamas we are focusing on? :roll:
 
Everyone seems to have "forgotten" Israel's military attack on the tunnel during the ceasefire or is it just Hamas we are focusing on? :roll:

Six die in Israeli attack over Hamas 'tunnel under border to kidnap soldier' - Times Online

The Israeli military described the operation as a “pinpoint” raid to destroy a 250-metre tunnel that it said the hardline Palestinian movement was digging under the border to try to kidnap an Israeli soldier – as it did in the summer of 2006.

Your point is??? Bullets are not the only way to violate a cease fire

Moe
 
I think you mean defensive.
It was the Pope who declared the attack, remember and Christians coming to ME wiping out Jerusalem of Muslims and Jews and even killing Eastern Christians until "blood ran until ankle deep"

No, prior to the Crusades, the Muslims had been on the offensive. Note the verb tense pleace - it was very carefully selected. The Muslims had been on a non-stop offensive since the 7th century. It took them to central France and brought them long-term occupation of Spain. They were pushing on Asia Minor, though the Byzantines had resisted them to that point. They had also pushed into Central Asia. Islam was on the offensive. Did the not expect that someone would push back at some point?

Hell, don't even try the crusades. We all know that was the era of christian barbaric behaviour. They should have taken a leaf out of Saladin's book. You see, he actually spared the settlers when Jerusalem was reconquered.

The behavior of soldiers was not civilized, I would agree. However, war sucks. The Muslims shouldn't have brought it on the Christian world.
 
I have already stated what i'd rather like Israel to do instead of attacking civilian areas some pages back

'Reasonable person'?
Im not going to support air strikes against civilians so give up on me.

But your "proposal" falls short of what is needed to control the militanr Arabs.
 
Your point is??? Bullets are not the only way to violate a cease fire

Moe

No no, not if its Israel that is doing the firing -.-'

The blockade didn't also break the ceasefire im assuming? No? Just Hamas then?
 
Everyone seems to have "forgotten" Israel's military attack on the tunnel during the ceasefire or is it just Hamas we are focusing on? :roll:

Of course they were going to attack a fricken tunnel. What do you think the purpose of that tunnel was?!?!?:doh
 
200 dead civilians and rockets still firing into Israel.

This attack seems to really be working :rolleyes:
 
That's what a reasonable person would assume. And you seem to be a reasonable person, Laila.

But, from your POV, what has Israel failed to do to try bringing about peace?

I have already stated what i'd rather like Israel to do instead of attacking civilian areas some pages back

'Reasonable person'?
Im not going to support air strikes against civilians so give up on me.

What would i want Israel to do?

Show the utmost restraint, instead of dealing it themselves. Can they not call on UN or NATO to patrol between the two areas and/or station mixed armies to be placed inside Gaza? Talk to Hamas? Talk to Iran who may be able to influence Hamas? Not threaten Iran with war which may cause Iran to want to arm up Hezbollah and Hamas incase Israel does attack? Not respond in a manner which makes the world condemn them and remove any shred of sympathy with them? Re open peace talks with Arab countries brokering it again?

I asked what Israel HASN'T done to try to bring about peace.

They have agreed to bring in the UN but the UN people were subverted.

The Hamas Covenant eschews negotiation.

Iran has no interest in adjudicating the matter in any way that doesn't result in Israel being "wiped off the map." (Ahmadinejad's own words.)

The reason war is being threatened is because Iran will not back down from wanting to point a nuclear gun at the heart of Israel.

It would be non-sensical to expect Iran to fairly and objectively adjudicate a peace between Palestine and Israel.

The world has gotten used to condemning anything the Israelis do, to them Israel is the safe country to pick on because the Israelis DO show restraint, whereas many nations fear Islamic terrorism will erupt in their countries if they side with Israel.

We're at the point where the UN is no longer an impartial body, ESPECIALLY with regard to Israel.

U.N. institutional structures consistently are used to isolate and vilify Israel.

The U.N. has failed to investigate Palestinian actions supporting terrorism.

The U.N. has tolerated and fostered anti-Semitism and anti-Israel propaganda.

The U.N. Human Rights Commission promotes anti-Israel, anti-Semitic resolutions.


U.N. Bias Against Israel
 
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Who said all of the dead are all civilians. Did you read the link I provided? Most of the dead are security personel. NOT civilians.

Nope, can you repost it? Or is it a few pages back?
 
200 dead civilians and rockets still firing into Israel.

This attack seems to really be working :rolleyes:

By the way, you do realize that if the IDF was actually trying to kill civilians there would be tens of thousands dead for the same numbers of sorties flown and the same amount of ordinance dropped so far, right?
 
By the way, you do realize that if the IDF was actually trying to kill civilians there would be tens of thousands dead for the same numbers of sorties flown and the same amount of ordinance dropped so far, right?

And US support would no longer be viable in the face of international condemnation, Israel has to be seen to be targeting 'militants', it is fighting a media war as well as an occupation.
 
By the way, you do realize that if the IDF was actually trying to kill civilians there would be tens of thousands dead for the same numbers of sorties flown and the same amount of ordinance dropped so far, right?

Israel would be doing it if it didn't cripple them, the only thing holding them back on restraint is image otherwise i highly doubt US would condemn any form of killing on Israel's part
 
Israel is messin up. They dont have much land to work with compared to others so their citizens better reign their government in a bit.

270 die in ongoing Israeli strikes on Gaza - MSNBC's Top News - MSNBC.com

Their plan is going to bite them in the ass.

After all of the root of Hamas is gone then watch for people popping up uniting under people soon.

And if they don't calm soon I think it will apex soon and they will loose support quicker and quicker.

Another day would be over the fence I think. UN should step in. Their blitzkreig tactics may have further malice intended in a grand finali.

In a show of national unity, Israel's leading political parties suspended electioneering for the Feb. 10 ballot, which opinion polls forecast the right-wing Likud of former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will win.

Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, the head of the ruling centrist Kadima party, called for international support against "an extremist Islamist organization ... that is being supported by Iran", Israel's arch-foe.
 
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Israel is messin up. They dont have much land to work with compared to others so their citizens better reign their government in a bit.

270 die in ongoing Israeli strikes on Gaza - MSNBC's Top News - MSNBC.com

Their plan is going to bite them in the ass.

After all of the root of Hamas is gone then watch for people popping up uniting under people soon.

And if they don't calm soon I think it will apex soon and they will loose support quicker and quicker.

Another day would be over the fence I think. UN should step in. Their blitzkreig tactics may have further malice intended in a grand finali.

The UN will NOT step in. China's veto power would prevent any force that would protect Israel from Hamas's rockets and the U.S. would ensure that Israel's legitimate interests are protected. If you think the UNSC is the solution, you are suffering from severe Ostrich Syndrome.
 
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