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Israeli air strikes target Gaza

Captain America said:
I always said, "Wanna be a lawyer? Hang around lawyers. Wanna be a doctor? Hang around doctors. Wanna be a crackhead? Hang around crackhead's." I suppose if ya wanna be a terrorist, ya should hang around terrorists. Would you let a terrorist set up shop in your house? Would you go out for a night on the town with a group of them?

I hope not. That would make you fair game. :shock:
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o_O Someone who is making bombs or plans wouldn't let a single other person know I think. They would not want to get ratted out. Its not like they are going around saying *wave "Heyyyy buddy! I wanted to know if I could make some IED's and do some maintanence to my rocket launcher in your pad." *wave back "Sure! Come hide out in here."

Wanna be brainwashed? Hang around propaganda.
 
ludahai said:
Because people seem to ignore the fact that Iran loves to supply anti-Israel terrorists with far more than food.
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I ignored it?
I recall just saying i feel Iran will come off in the good light.

What? Do you think it'll be Israel coming out of this attack in the good light?
 
Laila said:
Yes, im sure bombing civilian towns is not meant to result in killing civilians

How stupid are their officals?
Do they seriously think if they pray hard enough, the bombs will magically divert itself away from children to militants?
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So what is Israel to do? Just let the rockets keep raining down? Israel has the legal right to do far more than it is doing now. It is showing extreme restraint.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Therefor we must punish ALL. Sounds like a drunken stepdad. A whole body of people, through government, is attacking a whole other for the actions of few. Sounds like a plan.

When I walk in on my brothers and they are doing something bad but I only catch one... And the one with the wrongdoing is caught with it and the other doesn't rat himself out. How do I know he wasn't innocent? I should spank or repremand him for something that he MIGHT have done? No. That just reflects cruelty. You tell the one that was caught to just keep their hands off your expensive object next time and he wont get in trouble without his little brother.

Except by your logic replace brothers with the appropriate sides and replace repramand with missles.
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Same question as I asked Laila? What do you propose Israel do? Frankly, I would support a full fledged invasion to get rid of Hamas.
 
Laila said:
Yes, I secretley support Taliban. Hell, i have wet dreams over Islamic take over on Israel and a return of Hitler ....


.... :doh
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Well, you are showing clear support for the terrorists on this one. You call for restraint, but don't have any alternative for Israel to stop the rocket attacks. Do you expect Israel to sit around and do nothing while rockets are raining in southern Israel?
 
ludahai said:
Same question as I asked Laila? What do you propose Israel do? Frankly, I would support a full fledged invasion to get rid of Hamas.
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I would never ever ever support such a retarded move.

What would i want Israel to do?
Show the utmost restraint, instead of dealing it themselves. Can they not call on UN or NATO to patrol between the two areas and/or station mixed armies to be placed inside Gaza? Talk to Hamas? Talk to Iran who may be able to influence Hamas? Not threaten Iran with war which may cause Iran to want to arm up Hezbollah and Hamas incase Israel does attack? Not respond in a manner which makes the world condemn them and remove any shred of sympathy with them? Re open peace talks with Arab countries brokering it again?
 
ludahai said:
But I have had discussions with Laila before. SHe has never stuck me as an extremist before.
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I condemn both sides and i am suddenley a extremist?

I love that logic
 
ludahai said:
Well, you are showing clear support for the terrorists on this one.
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How have i supported terrorists?
When have i ever expressed support or admiration for Hamas or any terrorist group for that matter?
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Soo let me get this straight... the terrorists must be letting off smoke signals every time they do a dastardly deed. Or a plane flies over and its sophisticated electronics sense a militant hiding behind 3 innocents and calculates it as acceptable. Or maybe... Damn.. How do they pick their targets? Maybe you could explain to me how a bomber picks a target by Israel.

Does a pilot just fly around and look for some dude holding a gun?

It is not terrorists hiding behind people... Its people slowly getting pissed of and leaving the crowd to avenge.

Did you see the video I posted earlier of a aircraft hiting a car with a security leader in it? The Palastiniens don't know what is up with that car. They are just responding to a car getting lit up and doing the human thing. Then minutes later after a good size crowd has built up. The plane comes back around and legally blow the same target. Its correct because they are stilling hitting a militairy approved target right? Except for the fact they purposely wait for civilians to gather around it and then chose to light it up again.

We got American protesters and UK protesters dying by the hands of Israel when they travel their for everyones sake and yet we still back um.... Doesn't make any sense.
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So, Israel should just back off and let the missles rain down with impunity?
 
ludahai said:
ONLY 225??!?!? How would you like a full-fledged invasion that would likely result in thousands if not TENS of thousands of deaths?
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Only?
1 dead civilian is too much :/
 
ludahai said:
Iran funds and arms Hizbollah and Hamas. They are terrorists organizations. They are arms of Iran's campaign to wipe Israel off the map.
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Oh good god not again ...

Please God not the 'wipe off the map' business
 
Article 51 of the United Nations charter said:
Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.
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Israel has the right to protect itself. The Security Council has done nothing, so it is incumbant upon Israel to protect itself from terrorist non-state actors operating outside its borders.
 
While I have had my issues with President Bush, he has this exactly right.

It was "completely unacceptable" for Hamas, which controls Gaza, to launch attacks on Israel after a truce lasting several months, said Gordon Johndroe, a spokesman for the National Security Council.

"These people are nothing but thugs, so Israel is going to defend its people against terrorists like Hamas that indiscriminately kill their own people," Johndroe said in Texas as President George W. Bush was spending the week before New Year's at his ranch here. "They need to stop. We have said in the past that they have a choice to make. You can't have one foot in politics and one foot in terror."
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Laila said:
I ignored it?
I recall just saying i feel Iran will come off in the good light.

What? Do you think it'll be Israel coming out of this attack in the good light?
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THey won't due to anti-Semitism. They have the right to protect themselves. Something tells me that ensuring their security is more important than staying "in a good light." The only people Iran is in a good light with is terrorists and authoritarian thugs like Beijing and Habana.
 
Laila said:
I would never ever ever support such a retarded move.

What would i want Israel to do?
Show the utmost restraint, instead of dealing it themselves. Can they not call on UN or NATO to patrol between the two areas and/or station mixed armies to be placed inside Gaza? Talk to Hamas? Talk to Iran who may be able to influence Hamas? Not threaten Iran with war which may cause Iran to want to arm up Hezbollah and Hamas incase Israel does attack? Not respond in a manner which makes the world condemn them and remove any shred of sympathy with them? Re open peace talks with Arab countries brokering it again?
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The UN will do nothing. China has something called a Veto. NATO is already otherwise engaged. The experience of the US in Somalia is not one it wants to repeat, besides, it is a little tied up in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Short of that, Israel has the absolute right to defend itself. It IS showing restraint. THey have been VERY patient, but their patience has run out. They are simply exercising their RIGHT to defend their security. Are you denying this?
 
ludahai said:
Something tells me that ensuring their security is more important than staying "in a good light."
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Does that logic not apply to every goddamn country in this world?

Did US not sacrifice its 'popularity' to ensure the security of their country? Would UK or EU not sacrifice it for security?

:roll:
 
ludahai said:
Iran funds and arms Hizbollah and Hamas. They are terrorists organizations. They are arms of Iran's campaign to wipe Israel off the map.
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They are really wiping them off the map with all those crude rockets arent they?
 
Laila said:
How have i supported terrorists?
When have i ever expressed support or admiration for Hamas or any terrorist group for that matter?
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You are showing sympathy for them right now. Or, at least you did earlier in the thread.

Do you deny Israel's Article 51 right to protect itself?
 
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