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Israeli air strikes target Gaza

195 reported dead civilians on Palestinians side.

Laila,

At this time, there is no information that suggests that all 195 Palestinians killed were civilians. Reuters reported:

Black smoke billowed over Gaza City, where the dead and wounded lay scattered on the ground after the Israeli air strikes destroyed more than 30 security compounds, including two where Hamas was hosting graduation ceremonies for new recruits.

Security compounds are legitimate military objectives. They do not have civilian status.

Furthermore, it should be noted that by locating its security installations, other facilities, and personnel in the midst of civilians, Hamas is engaging in what amounts to human shielding. Therefore, should civilians have suffered harm from the attacks on the security compounds, Hamas bears responsibility for those casualties on account of its human shielding. Hopefully, the number of actual civilian casualties will be minimal.
 
195 reported dead civilians on Palestinians side.
1 on Israel's side

I know where my sympathy lies ...

Please read post #17. Hamas wants civillian women and children to be killed by Israeli forces. They sacrifice there women and children for propaganda purposes hoping to tug at your heart strings and garner condemnation from the UN and the rest of the world. Why else would they fire rockets from densely populated urban areas?
 
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That's what happens when you bring a knife to a gunfight.

The Palestinians would attract more flies with honey than they would vinegar.

Meh, im just pissed at Brown's response.
'expresses concerns'
For gods sake condemn the attacks :roll:
 
Please read post #17. Hamas wants civillian women and children to be killed by Israeli forces. They sacrifice there women and children for propaganda purposes hoping to tug at your heart strings and garner condemnation from the UN and the rest of the world. Why elese would they fire rockets from densely populated urban areas?

Its not Hamas rockets that are killing civilians but Israel's.
Everytime a attack happens, do you notice that more civilians seem to die compared to actual militants?
 
Laila,
At this time, there is no information that suggests that all 195 Palestinians killed were civilians. Reuters

I got it from BBC.
Hence why i said 'reported' not 'confirmed'
 
Meh, im just pissed at Brown's response.
'expresses concerns'
For gods sake condemn the attacks :roll:

Yeah, and if he does, Hamas uses that for propaganda to show evidence that they are breaking the West's resolve.

It does seem that Hamas is the one that keeps breaking the cease fire agreements.
 
Yeah, and if he does, Hamas uses that for propaganda to show evidence that they are breaking the West's resolve.

It does seem that Hamas is the one that keeps breaking the cease fire agreements.

Hamas will use anything for propaganda, i want my PM to show some form of backbone and morality. Condemn both sides

US is clearly not going to condemn, i want EU and UK PM to do it.
 
Its not Hamas rockets that are killing civilians but Israel's.
Everytime a attack happens, do you notice that more civilians seem to die compared to actual militants?

Israel has shown restraint. They have repeatedly warned The Palestinians to stop the rocket attacks. On Decemer 24 there were 60 rockets fired into Israel. What would you have Israel do? I know you would have them die, cease to exist, every last man, woman and child Israeli.
 
Hamas will use anything for propaganda, i want my PM to show some form of backbone and morality. Condemn both sides

US is clearly not going to condemn, i want EU and UK PM to do it.

And what would be gained? Do you think either side really cares what they think?
 
What would you have Israel do? I know you would have them die, cease to exist, every last man, woman and child Israeli.

Yes Sgt, that is what i want.

All Israelis to die ...

:doh :roll:
 
And what would be gained? Do you think either side really cares what they think?

Ofc not.
Who says condemnation gets anyway? Sanctions and severing trade agreements does and seeing EU is Israel's largest 'customer' ....
 
Yes Sgt, that is what i want.

All Israelis to die ...

:doh :roll:

Ok then you don't want them to die. What would you have Israel do? The government is responsible for protecting its people. The people are under attack by an enemy that wants them all dead. Day after day after day of rocket attacks raining down from Gaza. What would you do if you were in charge of Israel?
 
Ok then you don't want them to die. What would you have Israel do? The government is responsible for protecting its people. The people are under attack by an enemy that wants them all dead. Day after day after day of rocket attacks raining down from Gaza. What would you do if you were in charge of Israel?

I'd make an agreement with the US to allow Israel's citizens into our country, and leave behind an empty radioactive piece of dirt.
 
Look Laila, I know you have a good heart, And I know you don't want innocent people dead, Palestinian or Israeli. But you are the one that said "I know where my sympathy lies". As a Jew what am I to think?
 
Ok then you don't want them to die. What would you have Israel do? The government is responsible for protecting its people. The people are under attack by an enemy that wants them all dead. Day after day after day of rocket attacks raining down from Gaza. What would you do if you were in charge of Israel?

Honestley?
I don't blame Israel for wanting to retaliate but can they not have gone by it in a different way? How about not stupidly using bombs/air raids in civilian areas. Do they not realise that just possibly, there may be civilians there?
Yes they were provoked but there is no justification when more civilians are being reported killed than Hamas soldiers. No justification at all and all Israel has once again suceeded in doing is once again giving the militants a PR boost and shooting themselves in the foot.
 
Look Laila, I know you have a good heart, And I know you don't want innocent people dead, Palestinian or Israeli. But you are the one that said "I know where my sympathy lies". As a Jew what am I to think?

I feel sympathy for the Israeli, i believe every life regardless of religion is precious but when i said 'sympathy' i was also partly saying, support.

I am more inclined to support Palestinians atm over Israel because of the fact the death toll seems higher on one side.
 
Honestley?
I don't blame Israel for wanting to retaliate but can they not have gone by it in a different way? How about not stupidly using bombs/air raids in civilian areas. Do they not realise that just possibly, there may be civilians there?
Yes they were provoked but there is no justification when more civilians are being reported killed than Hamas soldiers. No justification at all and all Israel has once again suceeded in doing is once again giving the militants a PR boost and shooting themselves in the foot.


Hamas rockets rain down on civilian areas. Hamas does not differentiate between civilian and military targets. We are all apes and pigs and should be exterminated.
 
Bob,

This was a massacre. The targets were mostly police stations as evident by the uniform the dead were wearing. This is not the first time these buildings were targeted. Most were destroyed when Abbas was in control before in Gaza. A lot of damage was also done to civilian areas as most police stations are in civilian areas.

I feel sympathy for the Israeli, i believe every life regardless of religion is precious but when i said 'sympathy' i was also partly saying, support.

I am more inclined to support Palestinians atm over Israel because of the fact the death toll seems higher on one side.

Recognizing the destructive power of the IDF and the hopeless mindlessness of the Gazan's incessant attacks on Israel what would you suggest the Palestinians do? Will you suggest future Palestinian attacks on Israel? Or would you suggest they negotiate?
 
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Hamas rockets rain down on civilian areas. Hamas does not differentiate between civilian and military targets. We are all apes and pigs and should be exterminated.

Yet it seems that despite all the rockets Hamas chuck. Not many Israelis die.

When Israel seems to do the 'retaliating' the figures goes into double digits

Do you not see a problem there?
 
195 reported dead civilians on Palestinians side.
1 on Israel's side

I know where my sympathy lies ...

Really? so you're going to sympathise with murderers that sent rockets every day at innocent israeli kids every day? So yeah, any person killed is sad, but Israel is now in a protective mode, because it can't live like this any more.

Let me give a little background: For approximately 8 years cities like Sederot and Ashkelon has been absorbing agressive fire from Hamas soldiers. There has been times of calming, but these were always broken by hamas activists. As of now, their rockets are starting to improve and reach longer distances, endangering more citizens. About a week ago, Hamas sent over 80 rockets in one day at Sederot.

Currently, I am considered in the hamas' fire zone. Every time I go outside I look for supportive walls in case of rockets dropping at me.

So sure, right now only one person died in israel. But wait a few days, see how many will die, how many rockets will be sent at Israel and possibly suicide bombers enter Israel.

Besides, unlike Hamas, the Israeli military tries its best to not harm civilians. I assure you that most of the palestinians who died are hamas soldiers that work every day on planning how to inflict terror on innocent israeli citizens.


So maybe before you sympathise, try and learn some relevant history.
 
Yet it seems that despite all the rockets Hamas chuck. Not many Israelis die.

When Israel seems to do the 'retaliating' the figures goes into double digits

Do you not see a problem there?

If Hamas had the ability to more precisely target their rockets to kill more Israelis, they would.

They deserve credit for nothing and do not deserve your bonhomie.
 
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