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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    I wound answer yes, but I think there's a better question.

    Should a nation use military force to retaliate against acts of aggression using long range weaponry if it will not solve the problem and may make it worse?
    This presupposes facts that have not been established as facts.
    Thus, the question is invalid.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 12-30-08 at 10:21 AM.

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    No, you're creating excuses.
    Not once have you declared that Hamas is wrong.
    you fail

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Hamas are ***** and should stop their attacks immediatly. They have violated the ceasefire by launching rockets, and it's normal that Israel tries to kill them
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    both parts share a part of responsibility, and that you can not blame everything on one side
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    Palestinians should stop launching rockets immediatly. We both agree on that.
    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Indeed, Hamas seems to have started using violence, and I condemn them as much as you do
    But I'm affraid it's a bit too subtle for certain posters not to blame everything on one side

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Why do you absolutely reject responding to terrorist attacks with military force?
    Why don't you? Our views differ

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    You show you are above them.
    You remove its support base. A terrorist group never gets where it is without a reason for it being there.
    Your premise assumes that the violence is based on reaction to violence or injustice. What happens if the terrorist organization motives or reason do not relates to reactionary positions?

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Why don't you? Our views differ
    Sorry to go for the soft underbelly, but when it comes to certain issues, you do not believe in pacifism. I'll remind of your discussions of the historical reasons for jihad. If this is so, then under certain conditions you have no problem with rationalizing defensive violence.

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Australianlibertarian View Post
    Your premise assumes that the violence is based on reaction to violence or injustice. What happens if the terrorist organization motives or reason do not relates to reactionary positions?
    But it is many times but lets say it is not, then another method would be needed.

    Israel wanted to remove Hamas and its support by this attack.
    Instead it has increased support for Fundementalism within the Muslim world.
    Israel's attack has also put the Pro West Arab Governments in a dangerous positions to the point where there is a demand of Israeli ambassadors to be thrown out and all ties to be cut, these are countries with peace treaties with Israel.
    There is a demand that those Pro Israel/West Governments be overthrown
    Radical Muslims now have a means to pressure the Governments to act, calling them cowards
    Hezbollah just now looks plain cool compared to the weak ass response from Saudi Arabia or Egypt.
    Oh and Iran comes out of this looking great

    Soooo, Israel by this attack has not made no actual difference.
    Last edited by Laila; 12-30-08 at 10:10 AM.

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This presupposes facts that are not established as facts.
    Thus, the question is invalid.
    How many years of the same old strategy will it take before it becomes a fact that the conflict will not be solved by long ranged bombardment?

    Face the facts Goobieman, modern warfare is changing and there's no longer the need for long ranged killing power that there once was. Weapons win battles but cannot win wars in the ME.

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Australianlibertarian View Post
    Sorry to go for the soft underbelly, but when it comes to certain issues, you do not believe in pacifism.
    I would never support Jihad in this day and age.

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    I wound answer yes, but I think there's a better question.

    Should a nation use military force to retaliate against acts of aggression using long range weaponry if it will not solve the problem and may make it worse?

    The fact is these attacks accomplish nothing for either side. Hamas lacks the capabilities and intelligence to become a working party which could be held accountable and Israel lacks the will to solve the problem they've allowed to fester on their doorstep.
    Israel did not allow the problem to fester at their footstep. Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza. The people of Gaza held elections and voted in Hamas. Hamas now governs Gaza. So what do you want Israel to do? Do you want the Israel's to constantly look after the Gaza strip and re-occupy it or do you hold the Hamas government accountable for their own actions? Unilateral withdrawl from Gaza, showed (that at least in relation to the Gaza strip) Israel did have the WILL to deal with the problem by leaving the territory.

    So how is Hamas the festering problem that Israel failed to deal with?

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Australianlibertarian View Post
    Israel did not allow the problem to fester at their footstep. Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza. The people of Gaza held elections and voted in Hamas. Hamas now governs Gaza. So what do you want Israel to do? Do you want the Israel's to constantly look after the Gaza strip and re-occupy it or do you hold the Hamas government accountable for their own actions? Unilateral withdrawl from Gaza, showed (that at least in relation to the Gaza strip) Israel did have the WILL to deal with the problem by leaving the territory.

    So how is Hamas the festering problem that Israel failed to deal with?
    They should have found a solution which involved a geographic unification of Palestine. Hamas brutally took power in Gaza and they are completely shut off from the West Bank.

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