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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    You are allowed to condemn Israel if you like, but you have to include a reasonable argument with this condemnation. The fact that you're Muslim, and some of your Muslim brothers are being killed in the Gaza strip, naturally diverts your point of view towards supporting them. Which is fine, but it doesn't make any sense.

    Wait, where does me being a Muslim get into this?
    Yes i am a Muslim.
    Yes Muslims are dying but that does not cloud by judgement
    Muslims kill one another way more than Non Muslims do.
    Im condemning both sides, hence why i said in my previous post that i would prefer my Prime Minister to show some backbone and condemn both Palestinians and Israelis. I have not said 'all this is Israel's fault and Palestine is guilt free'
    Do not think for one second, it is Israel i see as the guilty side and Palestine as the innocent side.


    And yesterday, two Palestinian girls have been killed as a result of a rocket attack launched by their brothers. And guess who handed out ambulances to them, to take care of the wounded.


    You don't need to do that, im well aware that Israel helps Palestinians in many cases and i praise them when that does occur. That does not however take away from the pressing issue right now.

    And trust me, until you've been in a similar situation, you can't understand how people living in the shadow of this threat live.

    Your right, i have never gone through rocket attacks as an adult.
    My nearest to war was during the Somalia conflict where Hargesia was bombed non stop but as a child, i can hardly recall it.
    And yet, you have said:

    195 reported dead civilians on Palestinians side.
    1 on Israel's side

    I know where my sympathy lies ...
    Its not Hamas rockets that are killing civilians but Israel's.
    Everytime a attack happens, do you notice that more civilians seem to die compared to actual militants?
    To be honest with you, to me that doesn't sound like condemning both sides. We don't count bodies here. It's really quite easy to feel sorry for what appears to be the underdog. And yet, think logically. The blame is put on Hamas. They have started this. They fire rockets into civilian areas. They have been warned.

    That does not however take away from the pressing issue right now
    What is the pressing issue? Israel has launched an attack on establishments related to Hamas. As stated here, most of the dead are Hamas activists. They are directly related to this conflict.

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Tal View Post
    It is difficult to understand this situation. Until today, I couldn't understand it myself. I live in the center of Israel and never had any rockets landing near my house. But just today, visiting the city of Ashdod to meet some relatives, I was greeted with the first siren that this city has ever had. And trust me, until you've been in a similar situation, you can't understand how people living in the shadow of this threat live.
    Unfortunately, there is nobody posting here from Gaza to tell us how it feels to be under siege with no electricity, fuel, food and medical supplies in a day where 220+ died, 400 injured over 120 seriously, many more still under the wreckage with F16s flying over head causing fear and terror for a 1.5 million people.
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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by lynnb View Post
    I have a little problem with your comparison with the IRA bombing.

    It is true that UK had responded appropriately due to the situation with the IRA. But I think you are forgetting something. This raid today is not one plain raid. this raid was called for due to many many terrorist attacka in israel. I urge you not to forget the suicide bombings in israel about 5 years ago. After that, for a long while rockets have been shooting at us, killing innocent civillians.

    As for your comment on the numbers of palestinian casualties, sure, today there have been more casualties in palestine. But I think you're forgetting all the people that die fron the hamas' rockets. I suggest you find uot how namy died here in israel, and then talk about fair or not fair.
    UK Military did respond, i was merely making the point that it did not respond in such a way as being demonstrated now to achieve its goal.

    I have searched how many have died not only in this raid but over the past few weeks and it seems to me through the articles i have been scanning, the numbers are still higher on the Palestinian side.

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by SquareMelon View Post
    Unfortunately, there is nobody posting here from Gaza to tell us how it feels to be under siege with no electricity, fuel, food and medical supplies in a day where 220+ died, 400 injured over 120 seriously, many more still under the wreckage with F16s flying over head causing fear and terror for a 1.5 million people.
    Bull****,
    Israel supplies Gaza electicity ,water , food, medicals, water and everything they need to exict.
    No more need to say, Gaza just show the world diffrent things that have proven wrong.
    Last edited by nirse1; 12-27-08 at 01:53 PM.

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    With a terrorist faction the civilized world has condemned it looks like.

    Maybe the Israeli's should have just sat down and spoken with them. Pleaded for a civilized number of rockets to be launched into Israel.
    That's a wonderful idea. but absolutely unrealistic. Recent history has taught us that it is nearly impossible to talk to them.

    Regardless of Israel, there's a mess in Gaza. Hamas has driven away the local authorities, and ever since then there has been chaos in there. this is also the reason why they are lacking in medicine and clean water.

    due to that situation, Talking to Abu Mazen, the leader of the local authorities, would do nothing.
    Besides that, there have been calming periods in the gaza strip several times. those were constantly broken by Hamas militants, when they shoot rockets at Sederot and Ashkelon.

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by SquareMelon View Post
    where 220+ died, 400 injured over 120 seriously, many more still under the wreckage
    I have not seen such inflated numbers from any source. Can you post your source on this??

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    UK Military did respond, i was merely making the point that it did not respond in such a way as being demonstrated now to achieve its goal.

    I have searched how many have died not only in this raid but over the past few weeks and it seems to me through the articles i have been scanning, the numbers are still higher on the Palestinian side.
    This is very possible actually.

    But how many of the palestinian casualties were innocent people, and how many were Hamas activists??

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    UK Military did respond, i was merely making the point that it did not respond in such a way as being demonstrated now to achieve its goal.

    I have searched how many have died not only in this raid but over the past few weeks and it seems to me through the articles i have been scanning, the numbers are still higher on the Palestinian side.
    Israel didn't attacked Gaza in purpose to kill more people.
    They just have showed them that we can fight too and they better stop fire Israel.

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Tal View Post
    To be honest with you, to me that doesn't sound like condemning both sides. We don't count bodies here. It's really quite easy to feel sorry for what appears to be the underdog. And yet, think logically. The blame is put on Hamas. They have started this. They fire rockets into civilian areas. They have been warned.
    I also said

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    i want my PM to show some form of backbone and morality. Condemn both sides

    The blame should be put on both sides.
    This has played out many sides
    each side wanting the other to act resulting in:
    Israeli siege of Gaza
    civilian deaths
    condemnation of attack by I Community
    air raid stops for a while
    A 'peace' being brokered by some country
    Hamas rockets Israel
    Israel warns

    Anddd the cycle continues :/

    What is the pressing issue? Israel has launched an attack on establishments related to Hamas.
    And how many dead Hamas militants have resulted from this raid?

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I have searched how many have died not only in this raid but over the past few weeks and it seems to me through the articles i have been scanning, the numbers are still higher on the Palestinian side.
    The IDF does not hide behind Israeli civilians. Hamas does use civilians as shields. That is why Palestinian casualties are usually higher.

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