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Israeli air strikes target Gaza

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- During the ceasefire there were nearly no rockets, why didn't Israel shift the blockade?
- Do you agree that the graph shows that it is possible to nearly stop the rockets by not attacking Gaza?

And did you know that while 8,000 settlers left Gaza, over 40,000 settled in new illegal colonies in West Bank?

("40,000" was two years ago, now it must be around 80,000 since they are paid by the Israeli government)

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B'Tselem - Encouragement of migration to the settlements

The cease fire was supposed to be for six months. I only see a FOUR month drop in missiles. The cease fire was supposed to be in effect for November as well, the the number of rockets and mortars spiked again.

The blockades wouldn't be necessary if Hamas and other Palestinian terrorists didn't use open borders to smuggle in weapons.

We need international boots on the ground WITH TEETH to enforce the terms of any cease fire. Any wonder why Hamas REFUSED this proposal?
 
Thanks to the blockade.

The blockade was made necessary by the continual importation of weapons by Hamas to be used against Israel.

Egypt also maintains a blockade as well and says they won't lift it until the legitimate government of Palestine takes over the border posts. The same should be true along the Israeli border as well
 
Seeing Egypt closed it off, i think the answer is no.

Egypt said that they closed the border because Hamas is not the legitimate government of Gaza. They have repeatedly said that they will not open them again until the legitimate government of the PA is in control of the posts.
 
Well, if you look closely, you will see that not too many arab states are coming to their aid. That's holding them accountable, don't ya think?

If they come to their military aid, it will result in a much wider war, which most Arab states simply do not want.

Egypt is afraid of an extremist ministate on their border, especially considering their own problems with the Islamic Brotherhood.

However, these Arab states are giving Hamas and the PA all of the diplomatic cover it can, especially in the UNSC.
 
Well, if Israel would just get there ass out of the West Bank, take down that apartheid wall, stop stopping basic services and humanitarian relief from entering Gaza and restricting their bombing to where they set up the mortar rounds, they wouldn't have to bomb the school. I don't know why you'd want too. The school didn't fire the mortar rounds, assholes did. And just how is the Palestinian government supposed to stop these rocket attacks when IDF soldiers shoot anyone that has a gun?

There is NO WAY ISrael is going to do that without any reasonable guarantees to its security. It withdrew from Gaza, and continues to get rocket and mortar attacks from Hamas's base in Gaza. Do you think Israel is going to surrender its security holdings in the West Bank until it gets such guarantees?
 
Oh yes it does. Israel is doing things that are enabling this hatred. If they would just stop exporting their own brand of terrorism, a lot of this hatred towards them would go away. Egypt did not turn Gaza into an open air prison, Israel did. And that's a war crime. What you want addressed, is a myth! You want Israel to be absolved of any wrongdoing at all. You think they can have their cake and eat it too.

What did the Israelis do in 1948 to justify the invasion of neighboring Arab states? Oh yea, they declared their existance!
 
Well, if you know your history, Israel used terrorism to create that sovereign nation. BTW, don't give me this soveriegn nation **** from a country that has been an occupying force for the last 42 years.

Why is this sovereign nation an "occupying force?" Oh yea, because the states surrounding it tried to DESTROY IT!
 
Well, if Israel would just get there ass out of the West Bank, take down that apartheid wall, stop stopping basic services and humanitarian relief from entering Gaza and restricting their bombing to where they set up the mortar rounds, they wouldn't have to bomb the school. I don't know why you'd want too. The school didn't fire the mortar rounds, assholes did. And just how is the Palestinian government supposed to stop these rocket attacks when IDF soldiers shoot anyone that has a gun?

Yes, yes billo the world would be perfect then wouldn't it?
The hamas would lay down their weapons and stop teaching school kids to aspire to become suicide bombers....:roll:
 
Well, if you know your history, Israel used terrorism to create that sovereign nation. BTW, don't give me this soveriegn nation **** from a country that has been an occupying force for the last 42 years.

You mean the UN don't you?
The group you so love.
 
If the Palestinians would govern themselves resposnibily and stop indiscriminately killing Israeli civilians, well, you'd have a point.

Right, so just let the Palestinians continue firing rounds into Israeli hoods because the Palestinians have holed up on school grounds, eh?

Seriously, are the Palestinians immune from any responsbility for locating, storing, luanching, etc. terror attacks from schools, hospitals, cemeteries, etc.?

I guess not to apologists like you.

.....:good_job:..........
 
You mean the UN don't you?
The group you so love.
No one says, "fookin' joo", like you.

A true Cherokee original.

I don't love them. But Israel should. Its entire existance is because of that organization's aquiescence to zionist terrorism in 1946.

Did you know that Israel sold the Iranians airplane tires for their jets during the 444 day hostage crisis?
 
Yes, yes billo the world would be perfect then wouldn't it?
The hamas would lay down their weapons and stop teaching school kids to aspire to become suicide bombers....:roll:
Hamas shouldn't be teaching anyone, anything.

They're about as sane as those whacko's at Jesus Camp.
 
Why is this sovereign nation an "occupying force?" Oh yea, because the states surrounding it tried to DESTROY IT!
But they didn't, 42 years ago, and Israel is still holding on to land seized in a war. Which, is against international law. Israel, is a sovereign nation, west of the Green Line. East of it, they're no better than terrorists.
 
What did the Israelis do in 1948 to justify the invasion of neighboring Arab states? Oh yea, they declared their existance!
I think its the way they declared it that rubbed them the wrong way.

But at least they didn't lose to Golden State.
 
No one says, "fookin' joo", like you.

A true Cherokee original.

I don't love them. But Israel should. Its entire existance is because of that organization's aquiescence to zionist terrorism in 1946.

Did you know that Israel sold the Iranians airplane tires for their jets during the 444 day hostage crisis?

I remember the 444 under the Carters watch!

I am still a firm believer if the people would stand behind their elected president, Mr. Abbas he could bring peace to the region. BUT as long as the hamas stand in the way this will never happen.

By the way wasn't it in 1948 they proclaimed independence, and in such Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and Iraq invaded?

Hamas shouldn't be teaching anyone, anything.

They're about as sane as those whacko's at Jesus Camp.

They are much worse because they don't just yell and shout their ****ed up ideas. They carry them out.
 
I remember the 444 under the Carters watch!

I am still a firm believer if the people would stand behind their elected president, Mr. Abbas he could bring peace to the region. BUT as long as the hamas stand in the way this will never happen.

By the way wasn't it in 1948 they proclaimed independence, and in such Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and Iraq invaded?



They are much worse because they don't just yell and shout their ****ed up ideas. They carry them out.
Hamas is so ****ed up, they're almost as hated by arab states as they are the Israeli's.
 
Hamas is so ****ed up, they're almost as hated by arab states as they are the Israeli's.

So why do the people tolerate them?
After all they (hamas) broke the law when the seized control of Gaza from President Abbas.

Do agree that Abbas was making progress before the hamas started interfering?
Yes Abbas and Israel had many problems to work out but the main point was they were meeting face to face.
 
So why do the people tolerate them?
After all they (hamas) broke the law when the seized control of Gaza from President Abbas.

Do agree that Abbas was making progress before the hamas started interfering?
Yes Abbas and Israel had many problems to work out but the main point was they were meeting face to face.
Abbas will be going home to his garden soon. He's a lame duck, just like George. But yes, you're right, he got Israel to the table and willing to talk about fundamental issues between their two country's. And that was progress.
 
Abbas will be going home to his garden soon. He's a lame duck, just like George. But yes, you're right, he got Israel to the table and willing to talk about fundamental issues between their two country's. And that was progress.

Lets remember that Abbas is no angel.

FATAH’S “MODERATE” CON JOB
The Aqsa Brigades are not just any group of terrorists. They are the most ruthless, accomplished terror wing of Fatah, the organization bequeathed to us by the late Yasser Arafat. The Bush administration delusionally regards Fatah and its leader, Mahmoud Abbas (also known as “Abu Mazen”), as the “moderate” Palestinian faction. There is nothing moderate about them. Yet, the administration appears determined to play this foolish game to its inevitable end because, like its starry-eyed predecessor, it is entranced by the holy grail of Israeli/Palestinian peace.
Not One Thin Dime for Abbas by Andrew C. McCarthy on National Review Online
 
True but Hamas doesn't have such technology and hopefully will never get its hand on it.

I am confused as to how that is relevant. Period. The fact of the matter is WHY are they lobbing rockets into Israel? What are their intentions? Are they doing it for shits and giggles? Or were they doing it to harm people. Whether they actually harmed numerous people does not apply. The fact that they were intending to is what matters. If they had such technology you'd be more sympathetic with Israel? Hmm, the logic there is rediculous. So while they're incapible of actually being accurate with their weapons we'll just sit back and think they're cute. Instead of showing them that fighting with someone you cannot win against with violence is not a smart idea. I feel badly for the innocent killed. But you can blame the Hamas for that, not the Israelis. If Israel did nothing to protect their people they may as well be the ones lobbing the rockets into their streets.
Unfortunately, Israel has tried asking the Hamas to knock off their bull****, but they didn't. They were warned by Israel that if they did not stop lobbing rockets that there would be consequences.
Also, have you not learned you cannot trust the media? You never go off believing something that has been "reported" if it has not been confirmed. Because then you're just assuming. ;)
 
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The fact of the matter is WHY are they lobbing rockets into Israel?
It might have something to do with the fact that Israel has had a blockade of Gaza, that has stopped, limited, disrupted, the flow of humanitarian aid and medical supplies, for the LAST 18 MONTHS!

According to Amnesty International...
"The Israeli authorities' deliberate and wanton destruction of civilian infrastructure and property in the Gaza Strip amounts to a war crime. The destruction and the disproportionate and arbitrary restrictions imposed by the Israeli army on the movement of people and goods into and from the Gaza Strip also amount to collective punishment of the entire population. This violates the Fourth Geneva Convention, which prohibits punishing protected persons for offences they have not committed."
And "collective punishment", is a war crime.
 
It might have something to do with the fact that Israel has had a blockade of Gaza, that has stopped, limited, disrupted, the flow of humanitarian aid and medical supplies, for the LAST 18 MONTHS!

According to Amnesty International...
And "collective punishment", is a war crime.
If Hamas had met its end of the ceasefire (no more rocket attacks) and also ceased smuggling rockets into the strip, the blockade would have been gradually lifted. Hamas did neither. Hamas even attacked the transfer crossings and also hijacked fuel trucks.

US Army Corps of Engineers personel are currently on the Egypt/Gaza border at the invitation of the Egyptian government to close existing tunnels and devise ways to prevent/detect new smuggling tunnels.

If Hamas didn't bastardize everything, the Gazans would be far better off.
 
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