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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

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    I was referring to those muslims who were militant enough to protest.
    People don't have to be militant to protest. I haven't seen any violent videos of the protest. The videos I have seen have been peaceful. If there are any videos showing otherwise, please post them.
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    OK Hamas are ***** and should stop their attacks immediatly. They have violated the ceasefire by launching rockets, and it's normal that Israel tries to kill them (even if that won't bring peace).

    However, did you know that the Hamas rockets have killed 1 Israeli and wounded 8 (which is not acceptable) but in 3 days, 51 Palestinian civilians have been killed!

    And then when I say that it's not proportionate members say it's BS

    If such a counter attack could bring peace and stop the Hamas, that would be OK, but Israel has already used such methods in the past and the only result was more intifadas and more extremism.

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Please stop repeating the word "civilian" like a danged mantra. Even the Palestinians are reporting that most of them were Hamas militants.
    And stop dancing around and face reality.

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    OK Hamas are ***** and should stop their attacks immediatly. They have violated the ceasefire by launching rockets, and it's normal that Israel tries to kill them (even if that won't bring peace).

    However, did you know that the Hamas rockets have killed 1 Israeli and wounded 8 (which is not acceptable) but in 3 days, 51 Palestinian civilians have been killed!

    And then when I say that it's not proportionate members say it's BS

    If such a counter attack could bring peace and stop the Hamas, that would be OK, but Israel has already used such methods in the past and the only result was more intifadas and more extremism.
    I just watched MSNBC's "Morning Joe" and they pointed out something I would have figured out eventually. Israeli PM Olmert is on his way out and that in the face of Israel's perceived defeat in Lebanon 2 or 3 years ago because they didn't go all the way with wiping out the Hezbollah opposition, Olmert intends to go out in a blaze of glory in a way. This time I believe he will try to eliminate Hamas. Completely.

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    OK Hamas are ***** and should stop their attacks immediatly. They have violated the ceasefire by launching rockets, and it's normal that Israel tries to kill them (even if that won't bring peace).

    However, did you know that the Hamas rockets have killed 1 Israeli and wounded 8 (which is not acceptable) but in 3 days, 51 Palestinian civilians have been killed!

    And then when I say that it's not proportionate members say it's BS

    If such a counter attack could bring peace and stop the Hamas, that would be OK, but Israel has already used such methods in the past and the only result was more intifadas and more extremism.
    So my friend, what would you suggest Israel do?
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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    I just watched MSNBC's "Morning Joe" and they pointed out something I would have figured out eventually. Israeli PM Olmert is on his way out and that in the face of Israel's perceived defeat in Lebanon 2 or 3 years ago because they didn't go all the way with wiping out the Hezbollah opposition, Olmert intends to go out in a blaze of glory in a way. This time I believe he will try to eliminate Hamas. Completely.
    I hope they do. It was a mistake not to finish off Hizbollah. They are more firmly entrenched in Lebanon than ever. Finishing them off not only would have helped Israel, but also Lebanon. Finishing off Hamas will not only help Israel, but also both the Palestinians and Egypt as well.
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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    I just watched MSNBC's "Morning Joe" and they pointed out something I would have figured out eventually. Israeli PM Olmert is on his way out and that in the face of Israel's perceived defeat in Lebanon 2 or 3 years ago because they didn't go all the way with wiping out the Hezbollah opposition, Olmert intends to go out in a blaze of glory in a way. This time I believe he will try to eliminate Hamas. Completely.
    Then he is going to fail. Even when Israel controlled Gaza, two years ago, when they had all their tanks etc...they have been unable to do so. You just can't destroy Hamas this way:


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    Si l'objectif, comme les responsables israéliens l'ont clamé haut et fort avant la reprise des hostilités, est de porter un coup sévère, sinon définitif, au Mouvement de la résistance islamique (Hamas), il y a fort à parier que la décision israélienne se heurtera à une douloureuse réalité. Le Hamas est puissant lorsque ses thèses radicales semblent validées par les faits, que la diplomatie est en panne et que l'Autorité palestinienne apparaît au mieux comme accessoire, au pire comme l'auxiliaire d'un Etat qui continue d'occuper la plus grande partie de la Cisjordanie.

    Les assassinats de ses fondateurs historiques et de centaines de miliciens, depuis le début de la deuxième Intifada, n'ont pas empêché le Hamas de prendre le contrôle de Gaza en 2007
    "If the goal, as Israeli leaders told before the offensive, is to give a severe or definitive blow to Hamas, they are going to have to face the sad truth. Hamas gets more powerful when its radical thesis are validated by facts, when diplomacy doesn't work anymore and when the Palestinian Authority looks like the auxilary of the state that keeps on occupying most of West Bank."

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    So my friend, what would you suggest Israel do?
    End the blockade of Gaza and go back inside its borders. Then the Hamas would not have any reasons to keep on attacking, and will loose support. And only then, if Israel is attacked again, they'll have the right to reply with force, and the rest of the world will support them.

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    End the blockade of Gaza and go back inside its borders. Then the Hamas would not have any reasons to keep on attacking, and will loose support. And only then, if Israel is attacked again, they'll have the right to reply with force, and the rest of the world will support them.
    The blockade has been eased. link

    Israel should NOT completely withdraw from the West Bank until it has reasoanble assurances that the territory will not be used to launch attacks against Israel.

    As for the right to use force, Israel has it now. They are exercising their inherent right to self-defense, confirmed by Article 51 of the UN Charter.
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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    End the blockade of Gaza and go back inside its borders. Then the Hamas would not have any reasons to keep on attacking, and will loose support. And only then, if Israel is attacked again, they'll have the right to reply with force, and the rest of the world will support them.
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