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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    I apologize for that comment, it was unfair and unreasonable.

    However there is a noticeable difference between my generation (and I've noticed, pretty much my generation alone) and everyone else when it comes to Israel.

    And to be honest there is a huge amount of "Jews are sad" literature foisted on all school students. I think for older people the Israelis successfully translated this into support for Israel (which is perhaps Israel's most disgusting crime). I think their ability to do that is faltering. Hence my generation.
    Actually our generation learned it from experience. We witnessed waves of bombings and attacks in Europe and the middle east. We watched the tragedy of the Olympics in munich. we watched several wars where Israel was for no reason surprise attacked by multiple Arab states

    Then we watched after these wars Israel give back to those who attacked her land that she had taken in battle.

    We have watched as Israel has made concession after concession and fulfilled demand after demand trying to secure peace in the region. And still she is under attack

    No body had to hand us "feel sad for the Jews" pamphlets. All we had to do was watch the news.

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Erm, i can count on one hand the amount of Muslim/Arab countries that recognise Israel offically .... Why only pointing out Palestinians?
    Because it is the Palestinians who are the group du jour firing rockets into Israel.
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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    I think it works in completely the opposite direction, and if you listen to any of Osama's tapes, I think my view is confirmed. We're sucked into their hatred of Israel, not protected by it.
    If they didn't hate us indirectly through Israel, they would hate us directly without Israel.

    It's the nature of the Middle East. It has always been mired in violent and bloody conflict over something. As long as we need oil, we are going to have to deal with ME temper tantrums and barbaric, emotional radicalism that is as bountiful as the sand and camel **** you find there.

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by moe View Post
    Actually our generation learned it from experience. We witnessed waves of bombings and attacks in Europe and the middle east. We watched the tragedy of the Olympics in munich. we watched several wars where Israel was for no reason surprise attacked by multiple Arab states

    Then we watched after these wars Israel give back to those who attacked her land that she had taken in battle.

    We have watched as Israel has made concession after concession and fulfilled demand after demand trying to secure peace in the region. And still she is under attack

    No body had to hand us "feel sad for the Jews" pamphlets. All we had to do was watch the news.

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    I could name a dozen places in the world where exactly the same thing has happened. And yet they aren't our "most valued allies".

    And why? Because they don't have AIPAC to manipulate the US government.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I find it disgusting you make 240 sound like a small number.
    Would you prefer that number to have been in the thousands or tens of thousands - which is where it would have been had the Israelis not exercised restraint.
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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    EU has more of a chance at being a honest broker in any peace agreement than US or UK will ever be.
    A supporter of terrorists an honest broker? LOL With all of the anti-Semitism in Europe these days, no Jew will ever trust the EU as an honest broker.
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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    And yet for all the lack of recognizing, it is Israel that holds the most blood on its hands.

    8 years of rockets attacks, give or take 20 Israelis overall.
    1 day - 240
    Because Israel has greater firepower and Gaza is far more crowded than southern Israel is. Doesn't mean that it isn't Hamas who is responsible. You would love to see Israel do nothing and have Hamas rockets rain down on Southern Israel so Israelis live in terror, wouldn't you?
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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    If they didn't hate us indirectly through Israel, they would hate us directly without Israel.

    It's the nature of the Middle East. It has always been mired in violent and bloody conflict over something. As long as we need oil, we are going to have to deal with ME temper tantrums and barbaric, emotional radicalism that is as bountiful as the sand and camel **** you find there.
    Why would they hate us? Would the Middle East be a wonderful flowering place of democracy without Israel? Of course not. Would it be OVERLY friendly to the West without Israel? Of course not. But if we can have open and if not friendly but diplomatic relations with places like China and Vietnam I see no reason we couldn't with the people of the Middle East. China's entire current generation of leaders was raised during the Cultural Revolution- if we can get along with people that developed their views in a environment that insane why not with the Arab muslims?

    However Israel remains a potent symbol of the West's continued domination over the region. Their nuclear weapons are the most offensive.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Im critcising Israel on its military actions.
    But you have not offerred up a viable alternative on how to deal with the Hamas problem.
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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Rightttt ...

    It seems to me that more people only take this stance because Israeli casulties is so low.
    'That is the outcome of war'
    'This is what is to be expected'
    'Palestinians asked for it'

    Its only an "outcome of war" because its Arabs being killed.
    I can stake my life on the fact that if 290 Israelis was dead, US would be erecting a ****ing statue in their honor and sending aid and condemnations.
    Then Hamas shouldn't have started the %&&&%% war in the first place!
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