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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Declaring that all sides are equally guilty because none are perfect is a sort of moralistic fornication.
    All sides are guilty, Arabs and Israelis not to mention UK/US/International Community.
    Only a fool says 1 side is innocent and the other guilty

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by cheat3 View Post
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    How are palestinians expected to foster a climate of goodwill in which moderate positions can be adopted under such circumstances? . . .
    Step 1 for the Palestinians: Abandon homicidal mania and overwhelming hatred as substitutes for civilized behavior and cooperative exchange.

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Step 1 for the Palestinians: Abandon homicidal mania and overwhelming hatred as substitutes for civilized behavior and cooperative exchange.
    Please re-read the post and reply accordingly

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Well, considering that the Muslims had been on the offensive for centuries, it was also a necessary evil.
    I think you mean defensive.
    It was the Pope who declared the attack, remember and Christians coming to ME wiping out Jerusalem of Muslims and Jews and even killing Eastern Christians until "blood ran until ankle deep"

    Hell, don't even try the crusades. We all know that was the era of christian barbaric behaviour. They should have taken a leaf out of Saladin's book. You see, he actually spared the settlers when Jerusalem was reconquered.

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    All sides are guilty, Arabs and Israelis not to mention UK/US/International Community.
    Only a fool says 1 side is innocent and the other guilty
    That's what a reasonable person would assume. And you seem to be a reasonable person, Laila.

    But, from your POV, what has Israel failed to do to try bringing about peace?

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by cheat3 View Post
    I think this support of Israel is decidedly unfair, They have been blockading the Gaza strip for decades now denying the Palestinians access to safe water, electricity, food and medical supplies. Not to mention the uncharged detention of hundreds of young palestinian men.

    How are palestinians expected to foster a climate of goodwill in which moderate positions can be adopted under such circumstances? Israelies live in a relatively peaceful and exteremly prosperous society, Palestinians live in an impoverished society where incursions by Israeli forces are commonplace.

    I realise that Zionists belive Israel is responding to 'terrorist' attacks and defending herself but the reality is that Palestine does not have and almost certainly never will have the ability to destroy Israel. Hamas's rhetoric will never become reality. The reality is that this is an extremely asymetric war. Since september 2000 Palestinians have killed 123 Israeli children, over the same time period Israeli forces have killed 1050 Palestinian children (not including indriect deaths caused by resource blockades). This when Israels population is roughly double.

    The ball is in Israels court, tit for tat retaliations are simply not a viable response. Releaseing 224 prisoners who were never charged or who had never even hurt an Israeli citizen is similarly not a viable response. This conflict can only be solved if Israel allows ecenomic properity to flourish in the West Bank and Gaza strip, I think given the choice between supporting Hamas in a impossible and unwinnable war and living in peace and prosperity the choice is obvious for all to see. The reason the palestinians have not chosen the latter is that they do not have that choice at the moment.
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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    That's what a reasonable person would assume. And you seem to be a reasonable person, Laila.

    But, from your POV, what has Israel failed to do to try bringing about peace?
    I have already stated what i'd rather like Israel to do instead of attacking civilian areas some pages back

    'Reasonable person'?
    Im not going to support air strikes against civilians so give up on me.

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Israeli jets kill ‘at least 225’ in revenge strikes on Gaza - Times Online

    Israel yesterday launched its largest raid on Gaza with two waves of air attacks that killed at least 225 people and injured more than 700, according to Palestinian doctors.

    Children on their way home from school and policemen parading for a graduation ceremony were the principal victims of a bloody few hours that left the territory in flames.

    The short but brutal aerial blitz codenamed Operation Cast Lead was aimed at targets held by the Islamic fundamentalists of Hamas, which seized control of the Gaza Strip 18 months ago.
    Anyone reckon Israel is aiming for 1,000 civilians? 24hrs, over 700 injured. 200 dead.

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by cheat3 View Post
    I think this support of Israel is decidedly unfair, They have been blockading the Gaza strip for decades now denying the Palestinians access to safe water, electricity, food and medical supplies. Not to mention the uncharged detention of hundreds of young palestinian men.
    The borders have been closed for decades because of security reasons to protect the citizens of Israel. Not to hurt the Palestinains. When the borders were open terrorists bombings were almost a daily occurence.

    I remember when I was a kid you could not turn on the radio or tv with out hearing of a another cafe resort market bus etc being bombed or some other terrorist action by militant Arabs in Israel. And they entered via the Border crossing sites.

    And in those days Europe to. Bombings of El Al ticket counters at the air ports and of course the Munich tragedy by the PLO Fatah faction under Yasser Arafats control

    I am not saying that Israel is perfect. But ALL the suffering of the Arabs in Gaza and the West Bank can be layed at the feet of the terrorists.

    It is no coincidence that every time a peace process is started that the terrorists step up their attacks to insure it's failure.

    They are the sole reason that the cycle of blood shed continues and why the borders are always being closed.

    If the Arabs truly want to show Israeli aggression then the way to do it is through peaceful means. If the terrorists disbanded and the Arabs truly wanted to settle the conflict peacefully and still the Israeli's refused and would not change their policies towards them THEN the Arabs would have a bona fide case of agression that nobody could deny.

    But as it is now, It is obvious that the Israeli government/military actions are defensive in nature and not offensive.

    Moe
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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Everyone seems to have "forgotten" Israel's military attack on the tunnel during the ceasefire or is it just Hamas we are focusing on?

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