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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    I think this support of Israel is decidedly unfair, They have been blockading the Gaza strip for decades now denying the Palestinians access to safe water, electricity, food and medical supplies. Not to mention the uncharged detention of hundreds of young palestinian men.

    How are palestinians expected to foster a climate of goodwill in which moderate positions can be adopted under such circumstances? Israelies live in a relatively peaceful and exteremly prosperous society, Palestinians live in an impoverished society where incursions by Israeli forces are commonplace.

    I realise that Zionists belive Israel is responding to 'terrorist' attacks and defending herself but the reality is that Palestine does not have and almost certainly never will have the ability to destroy Israel. Hamas's rhetoric will never become reality. The reality is that this is an extremely asymetric war. Since september 2000 Palestinians have killed 123 Israeli children, over the same time period Israeli forces have killed 1050 Palestinian children (not including indriect deaths caused by resource blockades). This when Israels population is roughly double.

    The ball is in Israels court, tit for tat retaliations are simply not a viable response. Releaseing 224 prisoners who were never charged or who had never even hurt an Israeli citizen is similarly not a viable response. This conflict can only be solved if Israel allows ecenomic properity to flourish in the West Bank and Gaza strip, I think given the choice between supporting Hamas in a impossible and unwinnable war and living in peace and prosperity the choice is obvious for all to see. The reason the palestinians have not chosen the latter is that they do not have that choice at the moment.

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    No. But I dont expect them to slaughter.
    225 dead is HARDLY a slaughter. You need some historical perspective.

    Wrong? Yes. Legally? Depends on who you are talking to. Morally? I feel so.
    So, it is wrong for the US to go after those who attacked it? Kind of tells us where you are coming from, doesn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Ya... Non-violence totally didnt work for MLK. If Martin Luther King Jr. instead would have organized the community to airstrike cops beating them up it would have worked wayyyyyyyy better.
    The only way for peace is total annihilation or a huge peaceful non-violent revolution.
    You are comparing apples and elephants here. MLK was working withing a largely lawful, civilized society. The Israelis are nOT dealing with such reasonable people in the Gazans. They want the destruction of Israel and will do anything they can to bring that about. Peaceful non-violence does not work with that type.
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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    225 dead is HARDLY a slaughter. You need some historical perspective.



    So, it is wrong for the US to go after those who attacked it? Kind of tells us where you are coming from, doesn't it?
    Compared to humanity refined. It is. By my standards 225 is horrific and bloody slaughter. Each and every one of those souls may have one day ripened and refined and found the way to a path of true goodness. But because of the press of a button, an oath to man, and a paycheck, we may never know what his destiny could have had in store for him. When it comes to humans. Its all for one and one for all, to me buddy. No matter what color, religion, belief. I just hope you all come around one day in exchange. Thats the MOST anyone could do. So do it.
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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Compared to humanity refined. It is. By my standards 225 is horrific and bloody slaughter. Each and every one of those souls may have one day ripened and refined and found the way to a path of true goodness. But because of the press of a button, an oath to man, and a paycheck, we may never know what his destiny could have had in store for him. When it comes to humans. Its all for one and one for all, to me buddy. No matter what color, religion, belief. I just hope you all come around one day in exchange. Thats the MOST anyone could do. So do it.
    While I mourn for innocent people who lose their lives, do you honestly believe all 225 were innocent? How many are part of the Hamas infrastructure? How many voted for a Hamas dominated government? Are they truly innocent?

    Sad that innocent people have to die in war, but the Hamas government in Gaza started this. Israel has the right to protect themselves in whatever manner necessary. Are you going to deny that states have the right to protect themselves in accordance with Article 51 of the UN Charter?
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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

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    I have a spine, a moral compass and can decide between right and wrong, good and evil. It takes some moral fortitude and character, so I understand why it's easy to hem and haw and not make a decision. I mean... you might be wrong or something.
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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Most of the casualties were security forces, but Palestinian officials said at least 15 civilians were among the dead. More than 400 people were also wounded.
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    Sounds like pretty good targeting in such a crowded area. The Israelis are going after the problem, the Hamas infrastructure. If Hamas wants this to end, they simply have to stop the rocket attacks and threats against Israel.

    Militants often operate against Israel from civilian areas. Late Saturday, thousands of Gazans received Arabic-language cell-phone messages from the Israeli military, urging them to leave homes where militants might have stashed weapons.
    Still want to blame the Israeli military?
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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    I think this support of Israel is decidedly unfair, They have been blockading the Gaza strip for decades now denying the Palestinians access to safe water, electricity, food and medical supplies. Not to mention the uncharged detention of hundreds of young palestinian men.

    How are palestinians expected to foster a climate of goodwill in which moderate positions can be adopted under such circumstances? Israelies live in a relatively peaceful and exteremly prosperous society, Palestinians live in an impoverished society where incursions by Israeli forces are commonplace.
    I agree.
    Granted, there's much I don't understand about the situation, the history of the region, all of it.
    But this is what it looks like from here.
    I don't understand why the US is involved in this at all.
    I don't understand, with all our technology, why things are still like this, in this day and age.
    Nobody wants to die, nobody wants their children to be blown to ribbons in the streets, nobody wants to watch their children slowly starve to death or die of common illnesses for lack of medicine, deprived of basic necessities.
    Not even religious ideogogues.
    I just don't buy it.
    I don't buy the "They hate us for our freedoms" spiel.
    I can't believe anyone does.
    They are not willing to sacrifice their children's lives because they hate freedom. There's got to be more to it.
    Why is this happening?
    We need to talk, we need immediate diplomatic intervention here.
    We need to ensure that everyone has the basic necessities of life, and the opportunity and freedom to pursue their dreams and have the kinds of lives they want.
    If anyone is preventing somebody else from having this, we need to find out why, and rectify the situation.
    I don't believe these bombings are a solution.
    Okay, now a bunch of innocent palestinian civilians, including many children, are dead.
    Do you think that's going to make them stop?
    You think that's going to stop Hamas?
    When you kill somebody's children, they've got no reason to stop.
    They've got nothing left to lose, no further reason to live, other than to exact justice on behalf of the dead.
    I understand these Israeli attacks were not unprovoked.
    But how does escalating the situation to this level resolve anything?

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    The Muslims seem to operate under the premise that only retaliatory violence in direct proportion to the original offense is acceptable.

    Westerners see retaliation as a way of stopping any further offenses
    Very true, do Palestinian sympathisers presume Hamas would use pea shooters if they possessed the real deal.

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