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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Pick a date. Instead of dropping bombs drop leaflets that refer to the date. Say "On this date we want to try something new. For every one of you that comes to shake our hand. We will meet you to shake yours." Then just sit and wait and meet them on a line.

    Repeat over and over no matter what any tv says you should do.
    Geopolitics does not revolve around idealism. The idea that all people want peace and would be willing to reciprocate to goodwill is far-fetched. Interests can and do clash. Conflict does result. Power and deterrence are crucial.

    In the scheme of geopolitics, interests are far more important than ideals. A dramatic reorientation of how the Palestinians view their interests will be needed if progress is to be achieved in the quest for peace. More than likely, such a dramatic redefinition of interests won't be possible until Hamas is dismantled or destroyed. A "West Bank first" approach could act as a catalyst, if Gaza's residents can view progress in the West Bank and the contrast between the West Bank's progress and Gaza's lack of progress as reason to topple the Hamas terrorist regime.

    Israel tried the idealistic path on several occasions. It unilaterally released Palestinian prisoners. It completely disengaged from the Gaza Strip in August 2005. The Gaza disengagement was far more than the mere expression of symbolism or atmospherics to which the handshakes would amount. It gave the Palestinians tangible gains in land. It gave the Palestinians opportunity to begin building a viable society in the Gaza Strip. Those good faith gestures did not yield the desired diplomatic breakthroughs. Instead, the Palestinians pocketed those gains, Palestinian negotiating positions remained rigid, and Hamas continued to pursue its objective of Israel's destruction.

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Geopolitics does not revolve around idealism. The idea that all people want peace and would be willing to reciprocate to goodwill is far-fetched. Interests can and do clash. Conflict does result. Power and deterrence are crucial.

    In the scheme of geopolitics, interests are far more important than ideals. A dramatic reorientation of how the Palestinians view their interests will be needed if progress is to be achieved in the quest for peace. More than likely, such a dramatic redefinition of interests won't be possible until Hamas is dismantled or destroyed. A "West Bank first" approach could act as a catalyst, if Gaza's residents can view progress in the West Bank and the contrast between the West Bank's progress and Gaza's lack of progress as reason to topple the Hamas terrorist regime.

    Israel tried the idealistic path on several occasions. It unilaterally released Palestinian prisoners. It completely disengaged from the Gaza Strip in August 2005. The Gaza disengagement was far more than the mere expression of symbolism or atmospherics to which the handshakes would amount. It gave the Palestinians tangible gains in land. It gave the Palestinians opportunity to begin building a viable society in the Gaza Strip. Those good faith gestures did not yield the desired diplomatic breakthroughs. Instead, the Palestinians pocketed those gains, Palestinian negotiating positions remained rigid, and Hamas continued to pursue its objective of Israel's destruction.
    I hope you are right.
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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Then by all means. You go ahead and ride the hem of Israel's garmets and side with them unconditionally.
    I rather be a useful idiot than a useless idiot.
    You really think there can be peace in the ME wihtout conflict resolving it... 60 years bud, hasn't happened, and it won't. Either Israel will kick the crap out of them bad enough to stop the blood shed, or the Arabs will wipe Israel out. That's reality. And people like you support the latter solution, whether you admit it OR NOT.
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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    You really think there can be peace in the ME wihtout conflict resolving it... 60 years bud, hasn't happened, and it won't. Either Israel will kick the crap out of them bad enough to stop the blood shed, or the Arabs will wipe Israel out. That's reality. And people like you support the latter solution, whether you admit it OR NOT.
    Ya... Non-violence totally didnt work for MLK. If Martin Luther King Jr. instead would have organized the community to airstrike cops beating them up it would have worked wayyyyyyyy better.
    The only way for peace is total annihilation or a huge peaceful non-violent revolution.
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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Ya... Non-violence totally didnt work for MLK. If Martin Luther King Jr. instead would have organized the community to airstrike cops beating them up it would have worked wayyyyyyyy better.
    The only way for peace is total annihilation or a huge peaceful non-violent revolution.
    Different society, you're blind to the realities over there. MLK would have been shot by the Hamas Leadership if he were born over there.

    Welcome to reality, sucks don't it.
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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Different society, you're blind to the realities over there. MLK would have been shot by the Hamas Leadership if he were born over there.

    Welcome to reality, sucks don't it.
    Hrm... Maybe we aren't as differnt as them as you would think. Was MLK assassinated? Think leadership anywhere was involved at all?
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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Hrm... Maybe we aren't as differnt as them as you would think. Was MLK assassinated? Think leadership anywhere was involved at all?
    Yeah, but the difference is, our society allowed MLK to rise to prominence. Wouldn't happen over there.

    And MLK was shot by a racist old bastard.
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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    I don't like picking sides when it comes to these two warring factions, but in this case Israel has the initiative and the right. Hamas broke the ceasefire and Hamas continued to attack despite repeated warnings. It's just really unfortunate that the radicals in Palestine are the ones with the weapons, because they shout the loudest and are getting everyone killed.

    That said, I don't think it's fair to declare Israel as universally justified and innocent in every instance where force is applied. Both sides are guilty of atrocities and I don't really support Israel either.

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    So very sad and proof dogma is evil

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I don't like picking sides when it comes to these two warring factions, but in this case Israel has the initiative and the right. Hamas broke the ceasefire and Hamas continued to attack despite repeated warnings. It's just really unfortunate that the radicals in Palestine are the ones with the weapons, because they shout the loudest and are getting everyone killed.

    That said, I don't think it's fair to declare Israel as universally justified and innocent in every instance where force is applied. Both sides are guilty of atrocities and I don't really support Israel either.
    I have a spine, a moral compass and can decide between right and wrong, good and evil. It takes some moral fortitude and character, so I understand why it's easy to hem and haw and not make a decision. I mean... you might be wrong or something.
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