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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Gaza people are Palestinian too. I guess they are kinda angry to be enclosed there while Israeli people settle on their lands on the other side of the fence
    Are you going to continue to deny that Israel has shown good will by dismantling the settlements in Gaza while all the Palestinians have done is step up their offensive against Israel?
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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    We already have technology that can pinpoint an exact gunshot... We have sentry gun technology that is more accurate than humans... All you need to do is combine them. Add in a rocket interceptor that already has a 100% success rate and you shield yourself from all attacks AND take out the aggressor. After a week I garentee you not a single person would chose to attempt to kill the same way.

    We share our militairy secrets with Israel alot and so do they to us.
    It is not far fetched what so ever.

    I would enjoy further talks on what you would think The son of God born in a human body would condone. Unless you dont want to.
    A gun shot is a short range weapon. Rockets are intermediate range. Also, by the time a shot was made at the LOCATION the rocket came from (even if it could be accurately determined, which it can't due to the unstable trajectory of the rockets) the terrorists who launched them aren't exactly going to be waiting around for very long.
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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Slainte View Post
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    The most important thing right now is for both sides to agree a new cease fire . . .
    Based on how well they've worked in the past? Chilling.

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I am not saying Israel has done no wrong. I have never said that. However, in this case, Israel is responding to its legitimate security needs. Hamas has been raining rockets over Southern Israel with impunity since they violated the cease fire. Israel has warned them several times to stop. Do you expect them to simply sit there and let Hamas keep taking pot shots at them?
    No. But I dont expect them to slaughter.

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Pick a date. Instead of dropping bombs drop leaflets that refer to the date. Say "On this date we want to try something new. For every one of you that comes to shake our hand. We will meet you to shake yours." Then just sit and wait and meet them on a line.

    Repeat over and over no matter what any tv says you should do.


    When a Israeli boat lights up a picnic going on at a beach maybe hold the soldier accountable seeing as it is a government funded entity. Show that you refine yourself also.

    Im sure videos all around youtube of Israeli soldiers taking turns slapping the **** outa civilians once they are detained and soldiers letting a dog attack a chubby, elderly lady couldn't help either.

    I don't know. I am pretty steamed out argueing for a few hours and maybe could think of better responses later.

    I thank you for your knowledge.
    First off, if you're talking about the Paliwood videos on YouTube... Please, spare me. True, there were occurrences of Israeli soldiers hurting Palestinians - but they are not common, and sadly are a part of the wholly uncomfortable procedure called war. It is unfortunate that some soldiers are scum. They are that percentage of the population which is generally referred to as scum. There is nothing you can do about it.

    The rest of the videos are often staged to make a point. The most famous of which was the Muhammad Al Durah incident which sparked the second Intifada. I watched an excellent documentary on that on YouTube, but I just can't seem to find it. It showed exactly how that video was staged and based it on interviews and computer renderings.

    And your proposal is again, very sweet and appealing on paper. But in the real, non-armchair world, these sorts of things don't work. Of course, on the personal level you might shake a few hands. I myself have gotten to know some Palestinians and found them to be pleasant and peace-loving people. But the question is - will this handshake really solve the problems? Of course many civilians want peace with Israel, but some don't. And most importantly, their government doesn't let them to. They brought it about.

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    No. But I dont expect them to slaughter.
    The Associated Press: AP Top News at 8:42 p.m. EST

    GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) Israeli warplanes rained more than 100 tons of bombs on security sites in Hamas-ruled Gaza Saturday and early Sunday, killing at least 230 people in one of the Mideast conflict's bloodiest assaults in decades. The government said the open-ended campaign was aimed at stopping rocket attacks that have traumatized southern Israel. Most of the casualties were security forces, but Palestinian officials said at least 15 civilians were among the dead.
    Of course, any death of a civilian is unfortunate, but 15 dead civilians are by no means a 3 to 1 ratio.

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

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    And your proposal is again, very sweet and appealing on paper. But in the real, non-armchair world, these sorts of things don't work.
    Have poeple tried it? Turning kill zones into handshake zones and not listening to orders to shoot?


    Quote Originally Posted by Tal View Post
    Of course, on the personal level you might shake a few hands. I myself have gotten to know some Palestinians and found them to be pleasant and peace-loving people. But the question is - will this handshake really solve the problems? Of course many civilians want peace with Israel, but some don't. And most importantly, their government doesn't let them to. They brought it about.
    Both brought it about. More want peace then war. The handshake will only solve the problem if people keep doing it. Then killers themselves will be demonized, not just a side. And yes.. A handshake really does solve problems.

    I have forgiven on a handshake a few times. It is the first step.

    Has Israel tried dropping peace leaflets once? I do not know and am honestly asking.
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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    In lala land, people put down their guns, reach across borders and make peace.

    In the real world, bad people do bad things, and their PR campaigns look for, as Stalin liked to say, "Useful idiots" to side with them, or at the very least, not support the victims the bad people are after.

    In this case, the Palestinians have a great PR machine that churns our plenty of "useful idiots" in western lala landom where people really think peace will ever be accepted by the Arab backed Palestinians that doesn't include the destruction of the State of Israel.

    The rest of us hethens backing Israel have to contend with the "useful idiots" that either side with Palestine, or at worst throw out the moral equivalence card of "Well Israel did this so they aren't any better" crap.
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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Just stepping in to point out that repeated use of the word "civilian" is in itself propaganda, since Hamas combatants and police are not technically military. Several news agencies, primarily Reuters, lumps both combatants and non-combatants as "civilians" when covering Israel/Palestinian operations. It does, however, carefully label dead Israeli military as combatants.

    This whole argument regarding Gaza just boggles my mind. A few years back, Israel and Hamas/Fatah negotiated an agreement with Israel. Israel agreed to forcefully remove every Israeli settlement and civilian from Gaza. In return, the Palestinians agreed to stop the rocket attacks on Israeli towns.

    Within hours... not days, hours... of the vacating of the final Israeli from Gaza, the rockets started pouring into Israel. The world didn't say a word. In frustration, Israel blockaded Gaza to control the smuggling of weapons and explosives. The world went bonkers. Gaza continued to lob dozens and hundreds of rockets into Israel. The world didn't say a word. Israelis died from rocket attacks. The world responded with silence. Israel warned and begged Hamas for years to stop the rocket attacks on its people. The world supported this request with silence. The rockets continued unabated. Israel finally goes in to destroy the factories, the Hamas-controlled police station and other targets inside Gaza. The world goes bonkers, and every dead Palestinian, combatant or not, is labeled a "civilian".

    The loss of even one life is too much, screams the outraged world. Except, it seems, if that life is Israeli. Then the world doesn't even seem to notice.

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    In lala land, people put down their guns, reach across borders and make peace.

    In the real world, bad people do bad things, and their PR campaigns look for, as Stalin liked to say, "Useful idiots" to side with them, or at the very least, not support the victims the bad people are after.

    In this case, the Palestinians have a great PR machine that churns our plenty of "useful idiots" in western lala landom where people really think peace will ever be accepted by the Arab backed Palestinians that doesn't include the destruction of the State of Israel.

    The rest of us hethens backing Israel have to contend with the "useful idiots" that either side with Palestine, or at worst throw out the moral equivalence card of "Well Israel did this so they aren't any better" crap.
    Then by all means. You go ahead and ride the hem of Israel's garmets and side with them unconditionally.
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