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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    All this after Israel dismantled said illegal settlements in the Gaza Strip.
    there are still many unacceptable elements on both sides

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

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    Israel launched air raids to stop rocket attacks by Hamas
    Hamas launched rockets to stop the blocus
    Israel made a blocus to stop rocket attacks by Hamas
    Hamas launched rockets to protest against the illegal settlements...
    Bob,

    This was a massacre. The targets were mostly police stations as evident by the uniform the dead were wearing. This is not the first time these buildings were targeted. Most were destroyed when Abbas was in control before in Gaza. A lot of damage was also done to civilian areas as most police stations are in civilian areas.
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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

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    Bob,

    This was a massacre. The targets were mostly police stations as evident by the uniform the dead were wearing. This is not the first time these buildings were targeted. Most were destroyed when Abbas was in control before in Gaza. A lot of damage was also done to civilian areas as most police stations are in civilian areas.
    I don't know. We'll see the ammount of civilian casualties in a few days. Unfortunately I think it will be quite high.

    The European Union, the UN, Sarkozy, Moscow, London and Ankara have already condemned the raids (they asked both side to stop killing each other) while the USA have asked Israel not to kill civilians.

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    How will the Palestinians police themselves if Israel kills their police?
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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    About time.

    And I predict this thread will eventually turn into a "who threw the first punch" debate that evolves back into yet another, redundant, Pro-Isreali vs. Anti-Isreali flame-fest.

    All that being said, I s'pose that I oughta wade in and get my feet muddy too.

    I told myself the last time the Isreali's and the Palestinian's calmed things down, that I would closely observe which side of the fracas would cause the most stink and start the bloodshed, yet again.

    Well, for weeks we have been listening to the Isreali's PLEADING with Hamas and it's supporter's to do something to stop their people from lobbing rockets, many rockets, down upon Isreal. In the interim, during the ceasefire, we have watched Isreal give in and make concessions. In return, we have watched the Palestinian's lob rockets and rattle swords.

    Let there be no doubt, that whatever tragedies Isreal bestows upon the Palestinian's in the upcoming military actions, the Palestinian extremists have been begging for it.

    My heart saddens for the loss of life and limb to come that is a result of this time and ageless conflict. It spreads way beyond the borders of Isreal and palestine. It eventually affects us all.

    But Isreal should know by now, there will never be peace with the Palestinians. Isreal could conceed every demand Palestine wants and there would STILL be death and turmoil between the two.

    Arabs want jews dead. It ain't about no settlement. It ain't about zionism. It's about a bunch of pissed off Arabs, whose religion tells them what is Allah's will always be Allah's, wanting to eradicate a band of people who transplanted themselves (by the most cruel and sadistic tactics you can imagine) on Allah's turf.

    The other "reasons" for this conflict are just symptoms of the illness.

    Who started it? Well, that depends on how long you want to go back in time.

    If you want to take it back to when the Isrealites (were they even called Isrealites back then?) fled Egypt, you can blame it on Egypt. They HAD to get out or be man-beast slaves for what seemed forever.

    If you want to take it back to what the fleeing Isrealite's did after leaving Egypt, you can blame the Isrealites. If the bible is accurate, or anywhere close to accurate, Isreali's were ruthless, sadistic, and barbaric as they made their sweep conquering land and laying woe and waste to the inhabitants. (Those inhabitants, were the ancient ancestry of current day Arabs.) If you want to go back that far, blame it on Isreal.

    But I am a simple man with a forgiving memory. The only side seemingly willing to work towards peace is Isreal. So screw Palestine.

    Go Isreal! Kick their ass!
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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    How will the Palestinians police themselves if Israel kills their police?
    A good question. That any future long term peace between the Palestinians and the Israels demands a function Palestinian goverment and that demands a function police force that demands police stations. So targeting police station can not be a good strategy for long term peace.

    Also if their will be a new peace agreement between Hamas and Israel, Hamas need to be able to keep peace and order to stop other groups from attacking Israel and thereby stop Israel reprisial attacks. To keep that peace and order Hamas need a police force and that demands police stations.

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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Picture this, you are living in London and everyday rockets rain down on your city. French extreamist on the other side of the English channel shout "Dieu est grand, victoire pour la France" then launch another volley of rockets from a village full of women and children.

    The British are in a dilemma, they must defend themselfs but this would require attacking a village full of women and children. So they come to the decission to attack. Many civilians are killed. The French extreamist use this to there advantage and pictures of dead french women and children are all over the media. The UN condemns Britain and says nothing about the poor extreamist that purposefully launched attacks from a village of civillians.

    You see the extreamist knows that dead civillians are an excellent propaganda tool. And they will continue to put there own families in harms way. Sacrificing them for their murderous cause.

    Some will say it goes both ways, and they would be right. However, Israel has shown restraint and there comes a time when you must do something to stop the rocket attacks. Pressure from the people who are living in fear everyday forces the government to do its job and protect its population.
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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Hamas has taken it too far.
    Israeli citizens have suffered enough for many years, being constantly under attack (mostly rockets), even though Israel provides electricity, water, fuel etc to the strip.
    If they (Hamas) don't want to lay down their arms, and continue attacking blindly whatever is surrounding them, there is no other solution rather than a military operation, which we all hope to be short and with clear goals, like disbanding the Hamas (which is obviously intimidating and aggressive!) with minimal casualties.

    If you have closely watched the news, Israel made it pretty clear that peace will be a result of them calming down. It really doesn't look like Israel is the aggressive guy here...
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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    About time.

    And I predict this thread will eventually turn into a "who threw the first punch" debate that evolves back into yet another, redundant, Pro-Isreali vs. Anti-Isreali flame-fest.
    You are probably right. It's irrelevant at this point who threw the first punch. Both sides are locked in a vicious cycle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    All that being said, I s'pose that I oughta wade in and get my feet muddy too.
    Yeah, me too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I told myself the last time the Isreali's and the Palestinian's calmed things down, that I would closely observe which side of the fracas would cause the most stink and start the bloodshed, yet again.
    It's a vicious cycle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Well, for weeks we have been listening to the Isreali's PLEADING with Hamas and it's supporter's to do something to stop their people from lobbing rockets, many rockets, down upon Isreal. In the interim, during the ceasefire, we have watched Isreal give in and make concessions. In return, we have watched the Palestinian's lob rockets and rattle swords.
    Sounds like American inner cities and gang violence, on a smaller scale, of course.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Let there be no doubt, that whatever tragedies Isreal bestows upon the Palestinian's in the upcoming military actions, the Palestinian extremists have been begging for it.
    It seems that all Palestinians are paying the price for the extremists.

    I know, they should police their own. See inner city gangs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    My heart saddens for the loss of life and limb to come that is a result of this time and ageless conflict. It spreads way beyond the borders of Isreal and palestine. It eventually affects us all.
    This is true.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    But Isreal should know by now, there will never be peace with the Palestinians. Isreal could conceed every demand Palestine wants and there would STILL be death and turmoil between the two.
    I wouldn't say never. It would take something of biblical proportions to end it though. If it's as hopeless as you say, what is your solution? Kill all the Palestinians?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Arabs want jews dead. It ain't about no settlement. It ain't about zionism. It's about a bunch of pissed off Arabs, whose religion tells them what is Allah's will always be Allah's, wanting to eradicate a band of people who transplanted themselves (by the most cruel and sadistic tactics you can imagine) on Allah's turf.
    If Arabs wanted Jews dead, they would be. It's the extremists that do, luckily.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    The other "reasons" for this conflict are just symptoms of the illness.

    Who started it? Well, that depends on how long you want to go back in time.

    If you want to take it back to when the Isrealites (were they even called Isrealites back then?) fled Egypt, you can blame it on Egypt. They HAD to get out or be man-beast slaves for what seemed forever.

    If you want to take it back to what the fleeing Isrealite's did after leaving Egypt, you can blame the Isrealites. If the bible is accurate, or anywhere close to accurate, Isreali's were ruthless, sadistic, and barbaric as they made their sweep conquering land and laying woe and waste to the inhabitants. (Those inhabitants, were the ancient ancestry of current day Arabs.) If you want to go back that far, blame it on Isreal.
    The first punch is irrelevant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    But I am a simple man with a forgiving memory. The only side seemingly willing to work towards peace is Isreal. So screw Palestine.
    Kill 'em all?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Go Isreal! Kick their ass!
    You said earlier in this post that violence is never going to end. Let's say they kill all Arabs, what do you think would be the blowback from that?
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    Re: Israeli air strikes target Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Picture this, you are living in London and everyday rockets rain down on your city. French extreamist on the other side of the English channel shout "Dieu est grand, victoire pour la France" then launch another volley of rockets from a village full of women and children.

    The British are in a dilemma, they must defend themselfs but this would require attacking a village full of women and children. So they come to the decission to attack. Many civilians are killed. The French extreamist use this to there advantage and pictures of dead french women and children are all over the media. The UN condemns Britain and says nothing about the poor extreamist that purposefully launched attacks from a village of civillians.

    You see the extreamist knows that dead civillians are an excellent propaganda tool. And they will continue to put there own families in harms way. Sacrificing them for their murderous cause.

    Some will say it goes both ways, and they would be right. However, Israel has shown restraint and there comes a time when you must do something to stop the rocket attacks. Pressure from the people who are living in fear everyday forces the government to do its job and protect its population.
    So Britain should bomb the French police departments?
    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
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