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    Re: VIDEO: Santas Disable Enforcement Cameras in Tempe

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    "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense."
    A camera isn't a witness. Are you saying a camera is a witness as defined by the courts?
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    Re: VIDEO: Santas Disable Enforcement Cameras in Tempe

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    A camera isn't a witness. Are you saying a camera is a witness as defined by the courts?


    If there are no witnesses how can this evidence be introduced?


    how are these cameras calibrated? Does the private company contracted by the government have an incentive to ticket you?

    Can I confront this company in a court of law?



    See my last post as well...


    Also they are owned by "Photonotice.com"

    Meaning a private company is accusing you of a crime.

    They need to prove you guilty in a court of law.



    Also, if they can not see your face you have to pay and get points whether you are driving or not.




    That said, idiots who run red lights should be charged with reckless driving.

    These cameras though are not the answer.
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    Re: VIDEO: Santas Disable Enforcement Cameras in Tempe

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    If there are no witnesses how can this evidence be introduced?
    Where do you get the idea that there has be a witness for the state or fed to press charges?


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    how are these cameras calibrated? Does the private company contracted by the government have an incentive to ticket you?
    People have challenged the integrity of these systems before such that the owners must show that they function properly. This has been done with cops using radar guns. People would challenge the integrity of the radar guns and the company would decline because they didn't want their intellectual property to become public. I can't find the article but I believe they people who challenged got owned, big time. Nonetheless, it is a valid concern.

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    Can I confront this company in a court of law?
    Sometimes. Yes.


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    Meaning a private company is accusing you of a crime.
    No, private companies cannot. Only the state can charge you with a crime. A private company can only bring you to civil court.


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    Also, if they can not see your face you have to pay and get points whether you are driving or not.
    Wrong. they must match a face with a drivers license otherwise you don't get a ticket. At least that is true in Arizona.


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    These cameras though are not the answer.
    I hate the ****ing cameras too. We have them about every 3 miles (both ways) on every ****ing freeway. But people do drive the ****ty 55mph or 65mph speed limit now.
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    Re: VIDEO: Santas Disable Enforcement Cameras in Tempe

    Found an old article about cameras. Scottsdale was the first city to do it. After which all of Phoenix followed suit. Photo enforcement tickets still hold up in court | Opinion | eastvalleytribune.com
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    Re: VIDEO: Santas Disable Enforcement Cameras in Tempe

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    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    People have challenged the integrity of these systems before such that the owners must show that they function properly. This has been done with cops using radar guns. People would challenge the integrity of the radar guns and the company would decline because they didn't want their intellectual property to become public. I can't find the article but I believe they people who challenged got owned, big time. Nonetheless, it is a valid concern.
    Not always, my best friend challenged the calibration specs, affidavit for said specs, time between calibration AND calibrator, the company failed miserably on all fronts, and needless to say he got out of the ticket.




    No, private companies cannot. Only the state can charge you with a crime. A private company can only bring you to civil court.
    Which is a major problem, speeding and running red lights are misdemeanors, the ticket serves as subpeona and fine, if you go to court and pay, you're done, if you decide to fight it is adjuticated(sp?). These companies attack your credit if you don't pay, even when you didn't sign any contract, which means they get around credit laws as well by treating the city's contract as some kind of binding agreement to all drivers, which should alarm everyone.


    Wrong. they must match a face with a drivers license otherwise you don't get a ticket. At least that is true in Arizona.
    Not in Lousiana, my city, Lafayette, they simply fine the vehicle, it's assumed by the tag that the owner is driving automatically. Hell, even some of the police and sheriff's officers got tickets during duty runs, one poor deputy got a red light ticket while escorting a funeral.


    I hate the ****ing cameras too. We have them about every 3 miles (both ways) on every ****ing freeway. But people do drive the ****ty 55mph or 65mph speed limit now.
    Maybe, but I read that rear-end collisions increase at red-light cams, plus, we have a "speed-van", the damn driver pulled out in front of me and almost took me out trying to merge into traffic, that would have been classic front page material, safespeed safety enforcement vehicle causes accident.
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    Re: VIDEO: Santas Disable Enforcement Cameras in Tempe

    Furthermore the speed limits are set artificially low. and if you are in NY and NJ and do the speed limit on some highways you will get killed by other drivers doing 20-30 over.... If you didn't let people go these speeds traffic would build incrementally.
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    Re: VIDEO: Santas Disable Enforcement Cameras in Tempe

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Furthermore the speed limits are set artificially low. and if you are in NY and NJ and do the speed limit on some highways you will get killed by other drivers doing 20-30 over.... If you didn't let people go these speeds traffic would build incrementally.
    Tell me about it, we have a five lane here in terrific condition that just had the speed reduced 10 M.P.H. for "safety" reasons, I don't know what safety was accomplished since accidents and traffic are now up on the road.
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    Re: VIDEO: Santas Disable Enforcement Cameras in Tempe

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Tell me about it, we have a five lane here in terrific condition that just had the speed reduced 10 M.P.H. for "safety" reasons, I don't know what safety was accomplished since accidents and traffic are now up on the road.
    They've been raising and lowering the speed limits here arbitrarily too... it's kinda frustrating.. since we have all the cameras everywhere now.
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