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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

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    But of course...

    This is the same UN with a huge Muslim voting block since the mid 60s.
    This is the same UN that withdrew its forces from the Sinai in 1967.
    This is the same UN that did nothing about the genocide in Cambodia.
    This is the same UN that did nothing about the genocide in Bosnia.
    This is the same UN that skimmed money from Iraq oil sanctions.
    This is the same UN that did nothing about the genocide in Rwanda.
    This is the same UN whose troops raped young girls in Africa.
    This is the same UN that has done little about the genocide in Darfur.
    This is the same UN that cannot resolve Iranian NPT violations.
    This is the same UN that does nothing about Somali piracy on the high seas.
    This is the same UN that is very quiet about human trafficing (sex-slavery).
    This is the same UN that is silent about human rights abuses in China.
    This is the same UN that says nothing about servitude (slavery) in India.
    This is the same UN that ignored Russian atrocities in Chechnya.
    This is the same UN that ignores child slavery in Haiti.
    This is the same UN that appoints an oppressive Arab regime to chair the UN Committee on Human Rights.


    This just scratches the surface. Yes indeedy. The wonderful UN.

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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    But of course...

    This is the same UN with a huge Muslim voting block since the mid 60s.
    This is the same UN that withdrew its forces from the Sinai in 1967.
    This is the same UN that did nothing about the genocide in Cambodia.
    This is the same UN that did nothing about the genocide in Bosnia.
    This is the same UN that skimmed money from Iraq oil sanctions.
    This is the same UN that did nothing about the genocide in Rwanda.
    This is the same UN whose troops raped young girls in Africa.
    This is the same UN that has done little about the genocide in Darfur.
    This is the same UN that cannot resolve Iranian NPT violations.
    This is the same UN that does nothing about Somali piracy on the high seas.
    This is the same UN that is very quiet about human trafficing (sex-slavery).
    This is the same UN that is silent about human rights abuses in China.
    This is the same UN that says nothing about servitude (slavery) in India.
    This is the same UN that ignored Russian atrocities in Chechnya.
    This is the same UN that ignores child slavery in Haiti.
    This is the same UN that appoints an oppressive Arab regime to chair the UN Committee on Human Rights.


    This just scratches the surface. Yes indeedy. The wonderful UN.
    Oh I know that the UN is not neutral, and that there are many Arab countries that systematically vote against Israel. But then the poster who first quoted the UN should have know that too.

    And you are right about the UN, it has a severe bias. However it is also biased on the other side, as both Europe and the USA use to vote in favor of Israel, and the USA regularly use their veto to stop anti-Israel propositions.

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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Oh I know that the UN is not neutral, and that there are many Arab countries that systematically vote against Israel. But then the poster who first quoted the UN should have know that too.

    And you are right about the UN, it has a severe bias. However it is also biased on the other side, as both Europe and the USA use to vote in favor of Israel, and the USA regularly use their veto to stop anti-Israel propositions.
    I was referring to Israel's rights under Article 51 of the UN Charter, not the subsequent actions (or inactions) of its composite bodies.
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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Oh I know that the UN is not neutral, and that there are many Arab countries that systematically vote against Israel. But then the poster who first quoted the UN should have know that too.

    And you are right about the UN, it has a severe bias. However it is also biased on the other side, as both Europe and the USA use to vote in favor of Israel, and the USA regularly use their veto to stop anti-Israel propositions.
    The UN is basically a mechanism for the rich and powerful states to claim 'legality' for their actions across the world. The representatives are unelected (as in from the general populance) and the votes are generally bought in exchange for trade/military/aid agreements and support. It is also increasingly popular for Russia/China/US to threaten the removal of such support/aid if nations do not vote in the correct manner i.e in line with the superpowers.

    The number of decisions which have been reversed when nations have amended their votes after a consultation (i.e threat) from the major players shows the whole thing to be just a sham.

    Re: the settlement as being 'unlawful', if the US and Israeli supreme court cannot bring themselves to describe the settlements as lawful then I think the legal position should be clear for all to see. Once the blinkers are removed of course.

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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by G-Man View Post
    Re: the settlement as being 'unlawful', if the US and Israeli supreme court cannot bring themselves to describe the settlements as lawful then I think the legal position should be clear for all to see. Once the blinkers are removed of course.
    Permanent settlements in terrorities classified as belligerant occupation are unlawful.

    Annexing territory from another state without a properly executed treaty providing for a territory transfer is unlawful.

    However, the terror activities Arabs have used for decades against Israel is unlawful.

    Israel's actions to defend itself IS lawful under Article 51 of the UN Charter.
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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Permanent settlements in terrorities classified as belligerant occupation are unlawful.

    Annexing territory from another state without a properly executed treaty providing for a territory transfer is unlawful.

    However, the terror activities Arabs have used for decades against Israel is unlawful.

    Israel's actions to defend itself IS lawful under Article 51 of the UN Charter.
    All true statements.

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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I was referring to Israel's rights under Article 51 of the UN Charter, not the subsequent actions (or inactions) of its composite bodies.
    considering that Israel ignores the international community, the UN, the USA, the European Union and Russia's calls for ceasefire in Gaza, it's a bit strange to invoke the UN to justify the raids in Gaza.

    And anyway you are off topic: this article has nothing to do with the illegal Israeli colonies.

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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    considering that Israel ignores the international community, the UN, the USA, the European Union and Russia's calls for ceasefire in Gaza, it's a bit strange to invoke the UN to justify the raids in Gaza.

    And anyway you are off topic: this article has nothing to do with the illegal Israeli colonies.
    And I have acknowleged that they are illegal. They should be dismantled. However, we already know what has happened since those in Gaza were dismantled. The terrorists upped the attacks on Israel.

    It was Hamas, NOT Israel who broke the cease fire in Gaza. Let's be clear on this.
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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    And I have acknowleged that they are illegal. They should be dismantled. However, we already know what has happened since those in Gaza were dismantled. The terrorists upped the attacks on Israel.

    It was Hamas, NOT Israel who broke the cease fire in Gaza. Let's be clear on this.
    There are still many illegal colonies, even if Israel has made efforts. And that's only a part of the problem. There is also the security fence (that annexes even more Palestinian territory), pogroms against Palestinian farmers, numerous Palestinian civilian who die as "collateral damage", the blocus, the checkpoints...I totally disagree and fully condemn the launching of rockets by the Hamas, but it is clear that the Hamas is not the only responsible for the war.
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