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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    True. Sunni States may not see it as acceptable a Shia country having Nukes but maybe a balance of power is needed within the ME.
    Saudi Arabia, roflmao. Saudi Arabia hates Iran, can't say im surprised.

    Israel having Nukes is damaging to the development of the ME.
    I say strip Israel of its Nukes and ban any country in that region from getting it after ensuring Israel's is gone otherwise, i can't see what ground the west has to preach to Iran [Who has had less wars in its History compared to west] that it cannot have weapons Israel has.

    Iran is neither stupid nor is the President. They would not hand weapons to someone who may actually use it. You underestimate them.
    My dear confused Laila. Iran's current president has been identified as a participant in 1979/80 Iran Hostage Crisis by no less than SIX of those held hostage.

    Iran's president is a terrorist, Iran's Ayeitolieybowl is a terrorist, Iran's Mullahs are terrorists. Iran funds, trains, and arms, a terrorist group called Hezballah.

    As such, I would say that Iran's involvment in nuclear technology (except for energy where enrichment takes place outside of Iran) is unacceptable.

    Iran is the world foremost state sponsor of terrorism.

    If Iran got nukes there would be no peace in the world.

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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    My dear confused Laila. Iran's current president has been identified as a participant in 1979/80 Iran Hostage Crisis by no less than SIX of those held hostage.

    Iran's president is a terrorist, Iran's Ayeitolieybowl is a terrorist, Iran's Mullahs are terrorists. Iran funds, trains, and arms, a terrorist group called Hezballah.

    As such, I would say that Iran's involvment in nuclear technology (except for energy where enrichment takes place outside of Iran) is unacceptable.

    Iran is the world foremost state sponsor of terrorism.

    If Iran got nukes there would be no peace in the world.
    Then it's settled: Let's just nuke them all since they're all evil terrorists.
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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    If Iran got nukes there would be no peace in the world.
    I don't see how that works.
    So if Iran gets Nukes, there will be no peace inside ME.
    Yet Iran hasn't had Nukes before and in the last decade or so, there has been no peace inside ME or the world.

    What is the difference?
    Pakistan has Nukes << Be more worried about that.
    Iran is at the bottom of my "to fear" pile


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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Iran is neither stupid nor is the President. They would not hand weapons to someone who may actually use it. You underestimate them.
    Laila,

    A more likely scenario in which nuclear weapons, technologies, materials, etc., could find its way into the hands of non-state entities would entail the collapse or overthrow of a country's government by radical elements. There are failed and failing states. Pakistan is perhaps the single current example of a nuclear power could be sliding toward state failure. In any case, the more nations possess nuclear weapons or nuclear weapons capabilities, the better the chance that one such state would undergo state failure. In that situation, nuclear weapons could find their way into the hands of non-state actors.

    Another scenario would involve a rogue scientist along the lines of an Abdul Qadeer Khan assisting non-state actors in acquiring such weapons/knowledge. The more countries possess such weapons/knowledge, the more individuals also possess access/knowledge with regard to nuclear technologies. The more individuals there are who have such access/knowledge, the greater the chance that a rogue element might also have such access/knowledge.

    In the event Iran gained nuclear weapons, Iran could possibly--but not assuredly--be deterred from providing nuclear weapons to proxies such as Hezbollah. Such deterrence would operate on the principle that Iran would be subject to total and certain destruction if Iran were to use nuclear weapons or if one of its proxies e.g., Hezbollah were to do so.

    Deterrence aside, I still believe that the overall balance of power implications and additional risks associated with a nuclear-armed Iran justify the world's seeking to prevent Iran from gaining/developing such weapons. Of course, the same holds with respect to the other states that don't possess nuclear weapons, as well.

    Finally, the risk assumed by smaller countries that could be wiped out by one or two nuclear bombs would still be intolerable. They would face a perpetual situation amounting to brinkmanship. Such a high-stress environment increases the risks of a miscalculation. That's another powerful argument for seeking to deprive Iran of nuclear weapons.
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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    There is truth in that. However, the US would not give the technology to terrorist groups like Hezballah. Iran would ... so there is still a valid point against Iran having nuclear technology.
    Righttt, i wouldn't put anything pass any country.
    I think any country would fund anything if it served in their best interest. Never say never.


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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Doesn't Arab states have the right to defend themselves and arm themselves from a threat as well?
    Israel isn't exactly all peaceful, it also threatens Arab countries and especially Iran. It holds occupied territory belonging to other soverign countries.
    What threat is Israel to the existance of Aran countries or Iran (which, BTW is NOT Arab.) It is Iran threatening to wipe Israel off the map, not the other way around. Israel has only threatened to do something should Iran's nuclear program be ready to develop weapons, which would be a GRAVE threat to Israel. Israel is willing to co-exist with its neighbors, as it has proven in its relations with Egypt and Jordan over the past two decades. The same can NOT be said for Arabs in the Gaza Strip, Syria, Lebanon in addition to Iran.

    Don't the Palestinians have the right to defend themselves when being attacked? Or does that charter only apply when its Israel?


    There is no state known as Palestine.


    Disclaimer: I also know that Arab countries are agressive but i am focusing on Israel in this discussion.
    The Arabs have been the aggressors since 1948. Israel's existance is in jeopardy. The existance of Arab states (with the possible exception of Lebanon, but that has more to do with Syria and Iran than with Israel) is NOT in jeopardy.
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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    United States wants Iran to not get Nukes because US is allied with Israel and US hates Iran, making US's determination to stop Iran suspicious.

    *shrugs* Works both ways
    Except that Iran's leadership repeatedly threatens Israel and states that it needs to be wiped off the map.
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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    There is no state known as Palestine.
    Not anymore, thanks to whom?

    The Arabs have been the aggressors since 1948. Israel's existance is in jeopardy. The existance of Arab states (with the possible exception of Lebanon, but that has more to do with Syria and Iran than with Israel) is NOT in jeopardy.
    Arguable. Israel has been the instigator many times, which is why I believe we should support neither country.
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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Not anymore, thanks to whom?
    There has NEVER been a state known as Palestine.

    Arguable. Israel has been the instigator many times, which is why I believe we should support neither country.
    The Arabs started the problem in 1948. Israel's responses have been to secure its sovereignty, something it has the right to do.

    Also, as for Israel's alleged nuclear problem, it is perfectly legal, because as Tashash has already pointed out, Israel is a non-signatory to the NPT.
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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    What threat is Israel to the existance of Aran countries or Iran (which, BTW is NOT Arab.) It is Iran threatening to wipe Israel off the map, not the other way around. Israel has only threatened to do something should Iran's nuclear program be ready to develop weapons, which would be a GRAVE threat to Israel. Israel is willing to co-exist with its neighbors, as it has proven in its relations with Egypt and Jordan over the past two decades. The same can NOT be said for Arabs in the Gaza Strip, Syria, Lebanon in addition to Iran.
    To Middle Eastern countries including Iran. It has used military actions more times than any other country within that region. It has killed more civilians and done more damage to other countries more than ever has been done to them.

    There is no state known as Palestine.
    Not anymore
    The Arabs have been the aggressors since 1948.
    Israel has done its fair share so neither side is exactly innocent.


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