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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Israel has the absolute right to defend itself from agression from both state and non-state actors in accordance with the United Nations charter.
    Doesn't Arab states have the right to defend themselves and arm themselves from a threat as well?
    Israel isn't exactly all peaceful, it also threatens Arab countries and especially Iran. It holds occupied territory belonging to other soverign countries.

    Don't the Palestinians have the right to defend themselves when being attacked? Or does that charter only apply when its Israel?

    Disclaimer: I also know that Arab countries are agressive but i am focusing on Israel in this discussion.


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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by Billo_Really View Post
    It is a violation of International Law to hold on to land taken in a war. Even the Israeli Supreme Court refer's to this land as "occupied territory".
    If it were safe to give it back, maybe Israel would do so.

    Until the attacks cease it will not happen.

    Basically, returning the land gives the terrorists to many opportunities to kill innocent Israeli citizens.

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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Doesn't Arab states have the right to defend themselves and arm themselves from a threat as well?
    Israel isn't exactly all peaceful, it also threatens Arab countries and especially Iran. It holds occupied territory belonging to other soverign countries.

    Don't the Palestinians have the right to defend themselves when being attacked? Or does that charter only apply when its Israel?

    Disclaimer: I also know that Arab countries are agressive but i am focusing on Israel in this discussion.
    What the Palestinians call "Defense" the rest of the world calls terrorism. If the Palestinians did not condone hate, violence, and the glorification of terrorist groups this whole situtation would probably never have occurred.

    Until Palestine renounces terrorism and ejects all terrorist groups (No, trolls, Israel is not a terrorist group so don't even try to imply it) from their country they will not be thought of as defenders.

    Terrorism is NOT a defensive tool.

    A good first step is to find and eliminate ALL members of the Iranian backed Islamic Jihad operating within Palestine.

    Next all members of Hamas, and Fatah need to be rounded up and eliminated.

    Finally, any remaining terrorist scum need to be rounded up and eliminated.

    Then Palestine can elect a non-terrorist leadership and peace will come about naturally from this action.

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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Until Palestine renounces terrorism and ejects all terrorist groups (No, trolls, Israel is not a terrorist group so don't even try to imply it) from their country they will not be thought of as defenders.
    The refusal of terrorism will work only when both sides are ready. Like it or not, Israelis nor Palestinians are ready yet to trust one another

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Then Palestine can elect a non-terrorist leadership and peace will come about naturally from this action.
    Who are you to tell them how to elect? Nobody has the right to tell someone who to elect.That is not Democracy
    I support Democracy and it is unfortunate that they elected Hamas but as a elected member of Government, they should have been acknowledged as that by the world - You do not prove to Palestinians and Arabs democracy is good by refusing to co operate with those who are their representatives.
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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Israel is a continual violator of international law, i.e. The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, the violation of ceasefire agreements based on whimsical evidence of aggression, etc. However those discrepancies cannot be challenged due to U.S. veto power at the Security Council.

    States that have no special interests in the Middle East, such as China, have continually called for investigation into Israel's behaviour at the UN, and such attempts are blocked at every turn by Western special interests.
    There is no offical proof that Israel is in violation of the non-proliferation treaty.

    China wants Israel disarmed because China is allied with Iran and Iran hates Israel. Therefore, China's request is suspect.

    Also, if Israel does have nukes, which is a possibility, she has need of them. Their existence or rumors there of are what keep the terrorist hordes from an outright invasion.

    Also .... China is bigger violator on internation law than just about anybody. China's human rights abuses are rivaled only by those of Joseph Stalin or Adolph Hitler.

    As such, China has no room to talk. Calling for an investigation is little more than a 3rd party attempt by Iran to get the international community to take from Israel what she may not even have.

    Of course, the same Chinese officials have no problem vetoing actions to disarm Iran. This, if nothing else, is proof of China's hypocracy. This is why China gets ignored at the UN and it's why people in the world mostly see China as a sewer (aside from the fact that it is a pollution filled sewer).

    Russia is the same story ... only Russua is selling missile delivery systems to a terrorist country. This automatically dismisses and credibility Russia may have had and it provides Russia the same image as they had when they were still the Soviet Union.
    Last edited by Vader; 12-25-08 at 12:53 PM.

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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    China wants Israel disarmed because China is allied with Iran and Iran hates Israel. Therefore, China's request is suspect.
    United States wants Iran to not get Nukes because US is allied with Israel and US hates Iran, making US's determination to stop Iran suspicious.

    *shrugs* Works both ways


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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Yep, that open Democracy is evil, terrorist state, must be destroyed!
    ...which commits war crimes.

    Islam and it's appeasers are the most dangerous things on this planet.
    Stupid people are the most dangerous thing on the planet.
    "An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it." - Gandhi

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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    United States wants Iran to not get Nukes because US is allied with Israel and US hates Iran, making US's determination to stop Iran suspicious.

    *shrugs* Works both ways
    Laila,

    Much more than Israel's security is involved. Iran's acquisition or development of nuclear weapons would also have broad balance of power implications in the Middle East. Sunni states would almost certainly seek to develop/acquire their own nuclear weapons. Saudi Arabia believes that Iran poses the greatest strategic threat to its national security and it would not stand idle should Iran succeeding in gaining a nuclear weapons capability.

    Iran's success in obtaining or developing such weapons would potentially deal a fatal blow to the NPT and such a development would have far-reaching consequences well outside of the Middle East. Overall, such a development could undermine overall international peace and security and also elevate the risk of an accident or such weapons even finding their way into the hands of non-state actors.

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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post

    Iran's success in obtaining or developing such weapons would potentially deal a fatal blow to the NPT and such a development would have far-reaching consequences well outside of the Middle East. Overall, such a development could undermine overall international peace and security and also elevate the risk of an accident or such weapons even finding their way into the hands of non-state actors.
    True. Sunni States may not see it as acceptable a Shia country having Nukes but maybe a balance of power is needed within the ME.
    Saudi Arabia, roflmao. Saudi Arabia hates Iran, can't say im surprised.

    Israel having Nukes is damaging to the development of the ME.
    I say strip Israel of its Nukes and ban any country in that region from getting it after ensuring Israel's is gone otherwise, i can't see what ground the west has to preach to Iran [Who has had less wars in its History compared to west] that it cannot have weapons Israel has.

    Iran is neither stupid nor is the President. They would not hand weapons to someone who may actually use it. You underestimate them.


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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    United States wants Iran to not get Nukes because US is allied with Israel and US hates Iran, making US's determination to stop Iran suspicious.

    *shrugs* Works both ways
    There is truth in that. However, the US would not give the technology to terrorist groups like Hezballah. Iran would ... so there is still a valid point against Iran having nuclear technology.

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