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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Why side with one party when they both hate each other dearly?
    Lets see...

    One side is an open, liberal, Western democracy, and the other side wants to destroy that open, liberal, Western democracy because it has the audacity to exist.

    Seems pretty clear to me.

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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
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    "The issue is that the Arabs don't want the Jews here," she says, over cups of English tea.

    She says it is immaterial how much land is offered as part of a potential peace deal; she cites the failure of the talks at Camp David at the end of the Clinton presidency.

    The Arabs, she says, are not after a particular area of territory. "That's not what they want. They want us out."
    Said by A "Civilized" British woman who moved to this land that belongs to others. An amazing application of the concept of "an open, liberal, Western democracy".

    Judy Kramer moved here in 1990 from England, with her husband and five children.

    She has seen the settlement grow hugely. And she believes that all this land belongs to the Jewish people.
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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    All the Israeli settlements are unlawful.

    There isn't a single country in the world that recognizes these settlements as Israeli territory. Including the Israeli Supreme Court.

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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Both sides are terrorist States.
    I could not disagree more strongly. Israel, like any other sovereign state, has a right of self-defense. So long as it is being attacked by rockets, it has the same right enjoyed by every other sovereign state to defend itself against those responsible for the attacks on its civilian population e.g., Hamas. Self-defense is not the same thing as terrorism.

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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    . . . I could care less at this point. . .
    Then perhaps you should refrain from offering opinions that involve the deaths of millions?

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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Both sides are terrorist States. The only reason why Israel has any clout is because of its U.S. support. Withdraw that support and let them duke it out. I could care less at this point. The region has devolved into savagery on both sides. Both sides are fraught with dishonest politicians who never keep their promises regarding peace, both sides are engaging in tactics that are illegal under international law (except no one can table a bill against Israel at the UN because the U.S. will veto it instantly), and both sides don't understand the meaning of compromise.

    Why side with one party when they both hate each other dearly?
    It is ironic that there are a flow of bills constantly against Israel made in the UN but nary a peep about Palestine, even when they engage in tactics and methods that are directly contrary to the very conventions which are created and enforced in the UN.

    Israel on the other hand has made HUGE concessions in the past with land and property to the point of removing their own people at gunpoint. And yet you see no such concessions from the Palestine state other than cease fires (which aren't enforced). Instead of trying to make deals with Israel that would be profitable for their own people and economy they suicide bomb disco's. Even Palestine's neighbor states are fed up with their extremist crap. Its no secret why Egypt and Jordan closed their borders with actual 15ft metal and concrete barriers (which Hamas blew up) to Palestine when they feared that many would try to immigrate over.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila
    Thats unfair on Palestinians so EU and world should arm and train Palestinians and then let them duke it out.
    They've been getting weapons and training from Syria and Iran. Where do you think they got their ATGM's? Spirals, Kornets, and Fagots (its a russian name) are NOT cheap but were employed heavily during their last war.


    But in all honesty guys I really don't think you want Israel to duke it out with Palestine no holds barred. Their last war was under some strict ROE's, had alot of UN white trucks trying to get in the way, and alot of western scrutiny. Let them start a "total war" campaign and Hamas won't be safe hiding in dense civilian areas anymore.
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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Oh, and by the way...



    If it illegal to keep and then 'occupy' land you won in wartime -- where are the cries to liberate East Prussia from its Polish occupiers?
    Because a treaty is required to transfer territory from one state to another. There was a treaty transferring East Prussia from Germany to Poland. There was no such treaty transferring Egyptian and Jordanian territory to Israel.
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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Lets see...

    One side is an open, liberal, Western democracy, and the other side wants to destroy that open, liberal, Western democracy because it has the audacity to exist.

    Seems pretty clear to me.
    Yep, that open Democracy is evil, terrorist state, must be destroyed!

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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by Real Talk View Post
    pure fantasy.
    Says who?

    You?

    Are you saying those terrorists are good for Palestine?

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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Because a treaty is required to transfer territory from one state to another. There was a treaty transferring East Prussia from Germany to Poland. There was no such treaty transferring Egyptian and Jordanian territory to Israel.
    That land ... which was originally jewish property anyway, was technically under BRITISH CONTROL when it was given to them.

    Any land taken after that in the 6 days War (which the Arabs started) is considered the spoils of war.

    Israel was forced to defend herself from multiple attackers. Those attackers pulled out of ther areas in question during that conflict and therefore THEY ABANDONED THE LAND.

    Learn to accept the fact that the land there DOES NOT belong to those countries anymore.

    If not for a war started by the Egyptians and Jordanians, the ownership of that land would be IRRELEVANT.



    Thanks.

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