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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    uh and the Hamas stopped sending kamikazes! win-win

    If Israel stops its illegal occupation of Palestinian land and stops the blockade of Gaza, maybe Hamas will stop launching rockets too!

    But it won't be the case, as they still have not understood that "using the strong way" against the Hamas will only bring a new intifada...
    Perhaps Hamas should stop launching rockets and when Israel feels that they are secure, they can withdraw from the West Bank.
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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Perhaps Hamas should stop launching rockets and when Israel feels that they are secure, they can withdraw from the West Bank.
    You talked about Israel unilaterally making lots of concessions while Hamas doesn't. That's not true: Hamas stopped using kamikazes.

    So if Israel kept on making concessions, I don't see why Hamas would not do the same. They are not evil beasts.

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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    You talked about Israel unilaterally making lots of concessions while Hamas doesn't. That's not true: Hamas stopped using kamikazes.

    So if Israel kept on making concessions, I don't see why Hamas would not do the same. They are not evil beasts.
    Or is that because Israel is better at stopping them? Hamas has pledged to destroy Israel. Until they renounce that or the Gazans smarten up and get rid of those terrorists, they haven't really given up anything substantial.
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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Permanent settlements in terrorities classified as belligerant occupation are unlawful.

    Annexing territory from another state without a properly executed treaty providing for a territory transfer is unlawful.

    However, the terror activities Arabs have used for decades against Israel is unlawful.

    Israel's actions to defend itself IS lawful under Article 51 of the UN Charter.
    I would generally agree with all the above but resisting an occupation is perfectly legal.

    The carpet bombing of Europe during WWII - perfectly legal.
    The dropping of cluster bombs over the whole of Lebanon - perfectly legal.
    Rocket attacks into Israel - illegal.

    The winners generally decide what they want to regard as legal/illegal.

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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by G-Man View Post
    I would generally agree with all the above but resisting an occupation is perfectly legal.

    The carpet bombing of Europe during WWII - perfectly legal.
    The dropping of cluster bombs over the whole of Lebanon - perfectly legal.
    Rocket attacks into Israel - illegal.

    The winners generally decide what they want to regard as legal/illegal.
    Gaza is no longer under occupation. Haven't you noticed that?

    The first two acts were during wartime. If Hamas wants a war (lobbing rockets across the border is an act of war) then Israel is perfectly justified in using war itself to end the threat to its security.

    In the first instance, the Axis started the war. In the second, Hizbollah started. If you don't want to get bombed by a superior opponent, DON'T START A WAR WITH IT!
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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Gaza is no longer under occupation. Haven't you noticed that?
    Nah they aren't they just have a wall around them. And when people need slop jobs done people let them threw.

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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Billo - they have already withdrawn from Gaza, yet the worst problems are coming out of Gaza. Israel is rightfully NOT going to withdraw from the West Bank until they have reasonable assurances that their security will be respected. Remember, Hamas's goal is to exterminate Israel. Do you HONESTLY think that will change if Israel withdraws from the West Bank?
    Hamas and all the rest of the arab states have got to drop this "exterminating Israel" mantra.

    Israel is there to stay and nothing is going to change that.

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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Nah they aren't they just have a wall around them. And when people need slop jobs done people let them threw.
    And once Hamas decides that they want to live in peace with ISrael, the wall can come down. Either that, Hamas gets destroyed. The later preferably.
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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by Billo_Really View Post
    Hamas and all the rest of the arab states have got to drop this "exterminating Israel" mantra.

    Israel is there to stay and nothing is going to change that.
    I hope you aren't holding your breath on that one.
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    Re: Major Israeli settlement 'unlawful'

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Gaza is no longer under occupation. Haven't you noticed that?
    Perhaps we need a new terminology because their current situation cannot possibly be described as free or liberated.

    The first two acts were during wartime. If Hamas wants a war (lobbing rockets across the border is an act of war) then Israel is perfectly justified in using war itself to end the threat to its security.
    You misunderstood my point. You argue it is perfectly legal for Israel to bomb Gaza yet you think it is illegal for Hamas to lob rockets at Israel. The only real difference between the two seems to be the method of deployment and I cannot seriously regard that as the crux of legality I'm afraid.

    In the first instance, the Axis started the war.
    So as long as you do not start the aggression everything you do in response is 'legal'?

    In the second, Hizbollah started. If you don't want to get bombed by a superior opponent, DON'T START A WAR WITH IT!
    I doubt you could ever really establish who started the war. The bombing was not my point, the effective laying of thousands of land mines in heavily populated civilian areas is what I would regard as illegal.

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