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Pope puts stress on 'gay threat'

He's not. It's amazing how many people rely on this trick of arguing that another poster is absurdly comparing x to z.

He's stretching the logic that says if homosexuality is a genetic trait then we must allow/tolerate/accept ~insert behavior~. If that is the case, then what other genetic traits must compel us to allow/tolerate/accept ~insert behavior~.

The poster is not suggesting that drug use, theft are analogous to homsoexuality. He is suggesting that if you're going to argue that the genetic basis for homosexuality requires us to allow/tolerate/accept gay marriage or any other activity, then you must apply that logic consistently and that would have absurd results such as allowing/tolerating/accepting crime because someone may be genetically predisposed to committing crime.

Get it?

That may be, but he is comparing them as negative behaviors and has yet to offer why homosexuality, like doing drugs and stealing, is a negative behavior.
 
Air conditioning is not natural!!!
 
Homosexuality, like stealing and drug addiction can be under treatment if this is necessary to control such negative desires before became behaviors.

Homosexuality is not a negative thing, and cannot be compared to a crime. Welcome to the 21st century. For some people love has no gender, and we all know how strong love can be.

And that is the point, you didn't born homosexual, you just caught it, was passed on you, or it was taught to you. The solution is to reverse those steps.

Ah yes, it is a very contageous disease indeed....i caught it off a man once, took me about 3 days and 4 packets of Calpol to shake it off.
 
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Conquer, your an abomination. You think gay people need mental treatement and you compare it to a crime. When i see people like you voicing there pathetic opinions, people like you who wish to lock up or "sweep" people who are not the way our almighty loving god wishes us to be, under the closet, and move on, i realize seperation of state and church really was the best thing that ever happened to mankind. Now all we need is seperation of religious politicians from realistic politics.

We need to accept these people, embrace these people, integrate them into modern society and allow them to live the way they wish; not to be judged and told how to live, or telling them the way they are is wrong or "negative".
Keep such opinions to yourself, democracy doesnt work like that. If what people do is against the beliefs you follow, then just say to yourself "let them do as they wish. ill keep my beliefs to my self, and worry about myself".
 
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we have reasoning to control our desires if the desires are negative. This is what homosexuals need: mental treatment.
Could mental treatment be used to cure blackness? And non-Christian cultures? Or any of the other groups that you were instructed to hate before homosexuals became the primary target of your hatred?
Homosexuality is not demonstrably immoral (there has never in the history of ethical thought been any model of it as immoral that appeals to even the most basic common sense), but bigotry surely is. You know who needs mental treatment and rehabilitation? All of the Christians who use their religion as a root of hatred and seek to take people's rights away.
 
Could mental treatment be used to cure blackness? And non-Christian cultures? Or any the other groups that you were instructed to hate before homosexuals became the primary target of your hatred?
Homosexuality is not demonstrably immoral (there has never in the history of ethical thought been any model of it as immoral that appeals to even the most basic common sense), but bigotry surely is. You know who needs mental treatment and rehabilitation? All of the Christians who use their religion as a root of hatred and seek to take people's rights away.

Thank you for your post faminedynasty, i couldnt have possibly put it better myself.
 
We need to accept these people, embrace these people, integrate them into modern society and allow them to live the way they wish; not to be judged and told how to live, or telling them the way they are is wrong or "negative".
Why not? There is nothing positive from homosexuality, otherwise make your list here.

Keep such opinions to yourself, democracy doesnt work like that. If what people do is against the beliefs you follow, then just say to yourself "let them do as they wish. ill keep my beliefs to my self, and worry about myself".

So, you are saying that democracy only works with the opinions of homosexuals. Get out of here.

As far as it is known, majority still rejecting gay marriage, so you better accept what the majority says. Is this your point? I don't think so, because with or without a majority of opinions favoring my facts about homosexuality, I still stand that homophilia is a negative sexual behavior. This is how homosexuality must be taught in schools, like when students are taught that smoking is a negative behavior as well.

From here, it is optional for the individual to choose what to do, but the teaching must be realistic showing homosexuality as negative to the species as individuals and as a society.
 
So, you are saying that democracy only works with the opinions of homosexuals. Get out of here.

If homosexuals are part of our society than yes; there opinions need to be voiced and heard...i didnt say democracy only works based on the opinion of gays....are you for real?

As far as it is known, majority still rejecting gay marriage, so you better accept what the majority says. Is this your point? I don't think so, because with or without a majority of opinions favoring my facts about homosexuality, I still stand that homophilia is a negative sexual behavior.

What, in California you mean? A single state? Or did polls go out regarding gay marriage on a global scale - that i clearly missed? I must have been out that day.

From here, it is optional for the individual to choose what to do, but the teaching must be realistic showing homosexuality as negative to the species as individuals and as a society.

Ah so i suppose teaching people that homosexuality is a negative thing will help would it....that makes sense, considering gays DO have a say in what sex they can like.
Your brainwashed, pathetic religious ideology is unrealistic and just stirs up hatred and isolates people...go voice your clear homophobic attitude with the Archibishop of Cantenbury, you know, a CHRISTIAN religious leader, who is GAY.
Once again, religion and all its blind followers contradicting themselves.

Why not? There is nothing positive from homosexuality, otherwise make your list here.

Gays will be gays...no changing them. Its a watermark on the brain, it stays. Its not a disease, nor is it a condition. Your remarks are very ignorant. You think because homosexuals have no benefit to you they should be put aside or "changed". What about disabled people, they cant change themselves... the Nazi days are over my friend, back during the Salem Witch Trials christians thought they where doing the right thing by killing all those countless thousands of fellow christians and Americans because they where "witches". A man who needs to follow a religion because he does not have a mind of his own; therefore does not have any limits and cannot refrain and think "wait, this is wrong" is a dangerous one.
 
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Could mental treatment be used to cure blackness?

ASuch thought of yours is ignorance in progress. You might born with black skin, and such is not a behavior. Homosexual act is a behavior. You cannot act that you are black, everybody can see -even genetically- that if you have white skin that you are not black, even if you "feel" that you are black.

And non-Christian cultures? Or any of the other groups that you were instructed to hate before homosexuals became the primary target of your hatred?

Hatred? Excuse me, but feel compassion and sorry for homosexuals is not an act of hate. Even more, you can read inn my postings that I suggest for them to have mental treatment, so they can learn to control such animal instincts with reasoning. Instead of hating you, I'm trying to help you.


Homosexuality is not demonstrably immoral (there has never in the history of ethical thought been any model of it as immoral that appeals to even the most basic common sense), but bigotry surely is.

Somebody making your rectum bleeding is "moral"? What kind of sick person thinks that way? Only mental sickness is a cause for an individual to look for someone to make his rectum bleed. I can bet that you can't justify this fact with a fact demonstrating the contrary.

You know who needs mental treatment and rehabilitation? All of the Christians who use their religion as a root of hatred and seek to take people's rights away.

Christians only? excuse me but orthodox Jewish also reject homosexuality, the same as well Muslims, and millions of parents who don't want at all their children to become homosexuals. Christians are just part of this multitude of people who are against homosexuality. Are you implying that all those billions of people reject homosexuality by an act of hate? If you answer is yes, I think you live in a world of fantasies.
 
What the **** is homophilia?
 
Why not? There is nothing positive from homosexuality, otherwise make your list here.

I didn't realize that something had to be universally positive in order for it to be valid in your eyes

From here, it is optional for the individual to choose what to do, but the teaching must be realistic showing homosexuality as negative to the species as individuals and as a society.

How is it negative? You've yet to speculate on that.
 
Somebody making your rectum bleeding is "moral"? What kind of sick person thinks that way? Only mental sickness is a cause for an individual to look for someone to make his rectum bleed. I can bet that you can't justify this fact with a fact demonstrating the contrary.

Do you know anything about anal sex? You act as if any anal sex makes a person's rectum bleed. That's the most absurd notion I've ever heard. What about heterosexual couples who engage in anal sex? You do realize that pleasure can be derived from anal sex, right?
 
I didn't realize that something had to be universally positive in order for it to be valid in your eyes

So, if you see something negative you will follow it. :confused: No wonder why you are following homosexuality.:roll:



How is it negative? You've yet to speculate on that.

You better read the postings in this thread to catch up with the discussion. Such questions have been answer if former postings already.
 
Even more, you can read inn my postings that I suggest for them to have mental treatment, so they can learn to control such animal instincts with reasoning.

If they are animal instincts, doesn't that make it natural?

Or do you mean they pee on the carpet?

I suggest you get help. Your concern over what other people do with their genetalia is unhealthy.
 
Hatred? Excuse me, but feel compassion and sorry for homosexuals is not an act of hate. Even more, you can read inn my postings that I suggest for them to have mental treatment, so they can learn to control such animal instincts with reasoning. Instead of hating you, I'm trying to help you.

Yes, controlling means forcing one's self to engage in sexual activity with a woman. At least we can SEE gay people and know they exist, which is much more than i can say for your so called God. You dont see us going around saying you need mental rehabillitation because you believe in an invisible man -.-

Somebody making your rectum bleeding is "moral"? What kind of sick person thinks that way? Only mental sickness is a cause for an individual to look for someone to make his rectum bleed. I can bet that you can't justify this fact with a fact demonstrating the contrary.

Yes, all gays look to make other mens rectums bleed. A) it was a joke, and secondly, a woman who looses her virginity also bleeds. And hetersexuals also engage in anal sex....oh mind you, it does say somewhere in the bible "thy must not engage in bum fun"
 
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Check wikipedia, use Google, or any search machine in the web. Do not expect others to do all the work for you.

I checked Merriam-Webster. They said you were making **** up.
 
So, if you see something negative you will follow it. :confused: No wonder why you are following homosexuality.:roll:

:rofl I'm not following anything. I just think that your logic is absurd. I also see nothing negative about homosexuality and you've yet to supply anything of value.

You better read the postings in this thread to catch up with the discussion. Such questions have been answer if former postings already.

I've been following this discussion from the beginning and the most you've supplied about something negative is a "bleeding rectum" which is absurd.
 
You can do the same with homosexuality, you can teach continually to children and adults as well to control such inclination. You yourself can stop trying to steal something just by remembering that such act is negative. Homosexuals can do the same by learning that they are doing acts againast their own physical and mental integrity.

How can you teach people not to follow their natural inclination? Apart from tests or experiments by some Josef Mengele type of scientist I'd like to see examples of where someone has been successfully taught out of their homosexuality. As for thinking such an act is negative - you still have yet to show anyone how.

-- With homosexuality you have a worst scenario, you don't need to inject physically homosexuality into people, the only thing needed is to propagate the idea that being homosexual is ok.

Homosexuality is not a choice - it is within your fibre. I have yet to read anywhere of people being taught or convinced into homosexuality. I would appreciate a source please.

-- And that is the point, you didn't born homosexual, you just caught it, was passed on you, or it was taught to you. The solution is to reverse those steps.

I'm sorry, those views proliferated in the period up until the 70's when people began to realise they couldn't criminalise homosexuality anymore. In some parts of the world (The Isle of Man) you can still be punished by birching for being homosexual. In Iran you can be beheaded - but it doesn't convince anyone who is homosexual out of what they are.

-- Tell what "positive" you find in somebody making your rectum bleed.

Are you a relative of Queen Victoria? Do lesbians have rectums that bleed? Do many homosexuals have rectums that bleed?

And how do you know this?

Having homosexuality spreading

Only if you believe homosexuality can be caught.... :roll:

In a sexual intercourse between a man and a woman, the strongest sperms are the ones surviving and reaching the ovary. With artificial insemination you have no idea of what sperm you are coupling for fertilization.

You have heard of screening?

-- If we have reached the current worldwide status is because those "old teachings" have survived by generations. If millenniums ago homosexuality was the common denominator in the human species, we should not be here at all. We must protect our species, not so to degrade it.

You're going to be brave enough to claim there was no widespread homosexuality amongst the the ancient Greeks? Or any other of the great civilisations that are the precursors to much of the mathematic principles and the science that is the basis of much of our modern world?
 
If we have reached the current worldwide status is because those "old teachings" have survived by generations. If millenniums ago homosexuality was the common denominator in the human species, we should not be here at all. We must protect our species, not so to degrade it.

If being homosexual is ones fibre, what makes you think it can be caught by somebody else and become contageous and eventually completely wipe out mankind because nobody is having straight sex? Pure ignorance.
Okay, your putting out all sorts of crazy statements here so allow me to go ape ****.

I suppose you need mental rehabilitation because you believe in an invisible man and follow beliefs like a diet from a book written by a peasant hundrends of years ago -.-
Do you see how annoying and insulting ignorance is?
 
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Do you know anything about anal sex? You act as if any anal sex makes a person's rectum bleed. That's the most absurd notion I've ever heard. What about heterosexual couples who engage in anal sex? You do realize that pleasure can be derived from anal sex, right?

Yeap. And some people feel sexual pleasure if you hit them hard. What about that? Others feel sexual pleasure when they cut themselves with a knife. Others feel sexual pleasure making you suffer. Are you implying that anal sex is not in the same group with the other "abnormalities"?

The wrong use of our body's parts will cause diseases, bad health, etc. For example, you can "drink" chocolate milk through your nostrils, yes you can do that, but is your nose made for such task? If you drink milk using your nostrils you will end with infections inside your nose. So, even when you can perform anal sex, the wrong use of the rectum will cause harm to your body. Why is so hard for you to understand it? Why you want to kill yourself slowly that way?

In heterosexual acts, a man is doing damage to the woman's body if they have anal sex, and I know of many women who don't want event to try such sexual act because they find it dirty. These women are happy having sex using the correct organs to make it.

On the other hand, if something must be made public is the records of infections in homosexuals which are caused by their anal sex. The same as well the pictures of dark lungs are shown to teach how smoking is a bad behavior, the same as well the pictures of the infected rectums and quantities of antibiotics used to combat them must be shown to teach how negative homosexuality is.

Don't you think so? Medical records can be used to prove how negative is the homosexual behavior. I think this is a fair measure, I do not see a reason for you to reject it.
 
The Catholic Church opposes gay marriage. It teaches that while homosexuality is not sinful, homosexual acts are.

Yeah, like when a priest abuses a young boy it's not sinful if you move him to another parish and dust it under the rug. This pope is a two faced hypocrital POS, who I cannot believe people even follow. Yes, condem it to your sheep but condone it under your orders. :roll:



Pope 'led cover-up of child abuse by priests'| News | This is London

The Pope played a leading role in a systematic cover-up of child sex abuse by Roman Catholic priests, according to a shocking documentary to be screened by the BBC tonight.

In 2001, while he was a cardinal, he issued a secret Vatican edict to Catholic bishops all over the world, instructing them to put the Church's interests ahead of child safety.

The document recommended that rather than reporting sexual abuse to the relevant legal authorities, bishops should encourage the victim, witnesses and perpetrator not to talk about it. And, to keep victims quiet, it threatened that if they repeat the allegations they would be excommunicated.

Five years ago he sent out an updated version of the notorious 1962 Vatican document Crimen Sollicitationis - Latin for The Crime of Solicitation - which laid down the Vatican's strict instructions on covering up sexual scandal. It was regarded as so secret that it came with instructions that bishops had to keep it locked in a safe at all times.

Cardinal Ratzinger reinforced the strict cover-up policy by introducing a new principle: that the Vatican must have what it calls Exclusive Competence. In other words, he commanded that all child abuse allegations should be dealt with direct by Rome.


So yeah the 'gay threat' comes directly from the guy who is the one we should feel threatened by.
 
Yeap. And some people feel sexual pleasure if you hit them hard. What about that? Others feel sexual pleasure when they cut themselves with a knife. Others feel sexual pleasure making you suffer. Are you implying that anal sex is not in the same group with the other "abnormalities"?

It's not the same. That would be a fetish. No, anal sex is not in the same group with other "abnormalities". The fact is that we are biologically built to derive pleasure from our anus through the prostate.

The wrong use of our body's parts will cause diseases, bad health, etc. For example, you can "drink" chocolate milk through your nostrils, yes you can do that, but is your nose made for such task? If you drink milk using your nostrils you will end with infections inside your nose. So, even when you can perform anal sex, the wrong use of the rectum will cause harm to your body. Why is so hard for you to understand it? Why you want to kill yourself slowly that way?

As long as it involves two consenting adults it's really none of your business how they have sex.

In heterosexual acts, a man is doing damage to the woman's body if they have anal sex, and I know of many women who don't want event to try such sexual act because they find it dirty. These women are happy having sex using the correct organs to make it.

Some women are into it and some aren't. And there are no "correct" organs. If no pleasure could be derived from anal sex, people wouldn't do it.

On the other hand, if something must be made public is the records of infections in homosexuals which are caused by their anal sex. The same as well the pictures of dark lungs are shown to teach how smoking is a bad behavior, the same as well the pictures of the infected rectums and quantities of antibiotics used to combat them must be shown to teach how negative homosexuality is.

What about homosexual couples who just do oral sex? Are they just as bad and negative?

Don't you think so? Medical records can be used to prove how negative is the homosexual behavior. I think this is a fair measure, I do not see a reason for you to reject it.

I don't reject it because I don't subscribe to the same absurd logic that you do.
 
Yeap. And some people feel sexual pleasure if you hit them hard. What about that? Others feel sexual pleasure when they cut themselves with a knife. Others feel sexual pleasure making you suffer. Are you implying that anal sex is not in the same group with the other "abnormalities"?

You dont understand. You get pleasure while masturbating yes? Same with anal...theres a certain g-spot if you will :)
Its anal here for god sakes, your comparing it to a nasty fetish like pissing in somebodys mouth!

The wrong use of our body's parts will cause diseases, bad health, etc. For example, you can "drink" chocolate milk through your nostrils, yes you can do that, but is your nose made for such task? If you drink milk using your nostrils you will end with infections inside your nose. So, even when you can perform anal sex, the wrong use of the rectum will cause harm to your body. Why is so hard for you to understand it? Why you want to kill yourself slowly that way?

Yes, if you had a 14 inch penis its likely the recieving end would die...otherwise, when was the last time anybody died from anal sex....where are you from?

Don't you think so? Medical records can be used to prove how negative is the homosexual behavior. I think this is a fair measure, I do not see a reason for you to reject it.

Ah yes, because you cannot recieve HIV in heterosexual sex. Or can we overlook this fact, because the almighty invisible man declares so!
Religions come and go...but one thing will remain the same. The ignorance of religion!

Again, Archibishop of Cantenbury!

Keep talking my friend, that hole your diggin' there is getting deeper!
 
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