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    Re: 20 Years in Prison for Buying a Manga

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    - 20 Years in Prison for Buying a Manga - Anime News Network



    Iowa Collector Charged for Allegedly Obscene Manga (Update 2) - Anime News Network



    So basically there's this dude. He likes anime (who doesn't) and collects manga and such. I can relate, I do too. Ordered some stuff from Japan, Post Office inspector general opens it, thinks it's obscene. Police get a warrant and bust down his door. Now he faces up to 20 years for manga. For those that may not know, manga is sorta like comic books. Now there's lots of strange things from Japan, including but not limited to lolicon. I don't know if that's what he had or not, but I don't understand how you get 20 years even if it is lolicon. It's drawn, there's no people involved, there's no rights violated, so how can there be a crime? I'm of the opinion that crime can only occur when rights are violated, or potentially so. The potentially so is going to have to be a case involving actual live people, not drawings. Drawings are drawings and nothing more. Hentai may be "obscene", but that's sorta the point. Like all porn really, and porn in general isn't banned.

    I think this whole case to be absurd and an overstepping of the authority into the lives of the individual. Almost makes me wonder if I have anything considered "obscene". Or what the government really consideres "obscene". It seems to me that they made the definition loose enough so that they allowed themselves way too much freedom of movement. It's not right, and this law should definitely be stricken from the books.
    But their game shows are acceptable?

    Where does Japan get off calling anything obscene?

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    Re: 20 Years in Prison for Buying a Manga

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Another case like this happened with a photographer named Jock Sturges. Also Henery Miller had to smuggle his first book into the US.
    Well the Chinese banned Guns N Roses new album, because it had the title "democracy" in it. So its not like we're the only ones
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    Re: 20 Years in Prison for Buying a Manga

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    Well the Chinese banned Guns N Roses new album, because it had the title "democracy" in it. So its not like we're the only ones
    Axle Rose should be BANNED

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    Re: 20 Years in Prison for Buying a Manga

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Axle Rose should be BANNED
    For a while, it seemed like he was. I'm not worried though, his new album was such a disappointment, I am sure he'll throw another 15 year hissy fit.
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    Re: 20 Years in Prison for Buying a Manga

    Quote Originally Posted by conquer View Post
    If the Post Office inspector did it without the recipient's permission, isn't this a case of violation of privacy? As far as I know Japan is not in the list of being a terrorist country or similar to open every package that comes from it.
    He ordered the manga from Japan. Anything that comes into this country can be searched at random. And this time it came up with the manga books.

    Japan has a lot of odd pornography laws which actually ended up encouraging this type of hentai. Still it's absurd and an overstepping of authority by the government to press charges in a case where there was no possibility of a person's rights being infringed upon.
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    Re: 20 Years in Prison for Buying a Manga

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    He ordered the manga from Japan. Anything that comes into this country can be searched at random. And this time it came up with the manga books.

    Japan has a lot of odd pornography laws which actually ended up encouraging this type of hentai. Still it's absurd and an overstepping of authority by the government to press charges in a case where there was no possibility of a person's rights being infringed upon.
    Thanks for the explanation.

    I think that US law enforcement appears to have a misunderstanding here, and in this case there are no pictures of real children or of real past events of people pictured in a kind of pornography in order to claim abuses, and neither to call witness "affected" by this person because he owns a manga collection.

    If this is the "future" of law enforcement, and one day a police device might become able to detect what you think, then I guess that the construction of prisons will overcome the construction of houses in US.

    I will play a loose scenario where a collector of this kind of magazines can be exempted of charges the same way the ambulance vehicle is exempt of traffic tickets when it runs a red light, because the intention in both cases which are penalized to most people is not to violate the law. I think that this person might apply for a special license or similar to keep such magazines. I mean, I think that the Library of Congress might also own the same manga magazines but that they can be seen only by authorized people.

    If I'm this person's attorney I will play hard to obtain records from the Library of Congress and check how this institution is authorized to keep such a publications...of course, this is only if the Library of Congress has a special department which buys them to be cataloged in its files. As far as I know the Library of Congress tries to obtain as many publications come out from other countries, I don't know how far this institution goes with publications like manga or manga style.

    I don't see either any legal reason to press charges over this collector, but this case can be similar to the Illinois governor's case where after a few weeks appears to turn in his favor...at least his attorney is presenting a good version or excuse.

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    Re: 20 Years in Prison for Buying a Manga

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    For a while, it seemed like he was. I'm not worried though, his new album was such a disappointment, I am sure he'll throw another 15 year hissy fit.
    Let's mail him to Japan

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    Re: 20 Years in Prison for Buying a Manga

    This is one of those .. only in America moments.
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    Re: 20 Years in Prison for Buying a Manga

    First Pokemon and now this...Japanese culture has a lot of explaining to do.

    But seriously, I agree that this case is ridiculous. I don't care what the comics are depicting, no one was harmed by their production, sale, or possession. My guess is that the case will be dismissed. If I'm not mistaken, the Supreme Court has already ruled in similar cases that this is protected free speech.
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    Re: 20 Years in Prison for Buying a Manga

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    But their game shows are acceptable?

    Where does Japan get off calling anything obscene?
    Japan didn't, The United States did. Keep up!

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