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Guantanamo closure plan ordered

""What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs." -- Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002

In the end the French didnt go, because the evidence was so weak and the cause not there, and guess what, they were clearly right!
 
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Err... lets see.. an islamonazi terrorist hooking up with a rogue nation that is very non religious for the region, treats women relatively nicely (they could vote and join the army after all), or shack up with a rogue nation that is a religous nutjob state, shares the same values and even practices them...yea right
This is the mind of an Obama supporter.

Treats women very nicely. May your sister, or other half be treated as nicely as Uday and Kusay treated the Iraqi women.

They could vote! Yes, 100% of the people voted for Saddam. And if you didn't? LOL.

No chance the terrorists and Butcher of Baghdad would ally themselves to harm a common enemy. No. They have standards. An image to uphold. Just like Osama saying he would never bomb civilian targets. Wait! He did that, and then is on tape laughing like hell about it.

Must have been a Bush Administration conspricay theory video shot in the basement of the White House.

PS. Don't play with sharp objects.
 
In the end the French didnt go, because the evidence was so weak and the cause not there, and guess what, they were clearly right!




Wrong they did not go because the were involved in the worlds largest embezzlement scheme with Hussein period. Same with Germany.
 
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Even if any of this was true it wouldn't matter because the impact and the effects are so tiny. Even if Iraq donated their whole GDP to Germany and France it would only account for a tiny fraction of GDP in France and Germany.
Secondly even if it was true it wouldn't be one of the main reasons, but perhaps one reason out of say 50 whereas 10ish was very important, including the weak evidence and the lack of need to go to war in Iraq.
Why the hell go to Iraq instead of some African country?



Don't be so obtuse. The republican party does not even claim this. However if you decide to think for yourself, it becomes clear what some of the factors were.

:lol:
Sorry. It was partly a joke.. But seriously, move that theory to the conspiracy forum for now.



Ps. Corruption in politics is one of the most severe dangers to the west in general, I doubt the Saddam bribes if they ever existed would account for much of general bribes. Corruption is definetely something we must get rid of in the west to pride ourself in or politics, and the only way to do it is to rebuild politics and create enormously strong political foundations and institutions.
 
Then they simply kidnapped and imprisoned foreigners.

Yes and POWs are "kidnapped and imprisoned foreigners" too by your standards.:roll: You obviously have never even LOOKED at the Geneva conventions otherwise you could precisely state why "kidnapped and imprisoned foreigners" who fight lawful uniformed soldiers is a violation. But you don't because all you have is unsubstantiated opinion and a flurry of emotions as your support.

We get it. You don't like the US' policies. Its your opinion and you are entitled to it. But, just so you know, no one really cares what a "Maximus Zeebra" on an internet forum board believes is right or wrong.

If you think the US has violated some law or agreement then state it and show proof of the violation. So far you have done nothing of the sort except to make vague references which when looked into do not support your arguments in the least.
 
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Yes and POWs are "kidnapped and imprisoned foreigners" too by your standards.:roll: You obviously have never even LOOKED at the Geneva conventions otherwise you could precisely state why "kidnapped and imprisoned foreigners" who fight lawful uniformed soldiers is a violation. But you can;t because all you is unsubstantiated opinion and a flurry of emotions as your support.

We get it. You don't like the US' policies. Its your opinion and you are entitled to it. But, just so you know no one really cares what a "Maximus Zeebra" on an internet forum board believes is right or wrong.

If you think the US has violated some law or agreement then state it and show proof of the violation. So far you have done nothing of the sort except to make vague references which when looked into do not support your arguments in the least.

No, prisoners of war are prisoners of war under the Geneva convention. you said these people aren't under the Geneva convention, and they certainly aren't prisoners of war, nor unlawful US citizens.

You obviously care, else you wouldn't reply.
 
Its nice to see how tolerant and intelligent Americans are.. I have actually read the Koran volunteered.. And If you care to debate about Christianity, Islam and Judaism I am up for the debate, I have also read the bible btw..
In my opinion Christians were mislead into sin and ignorance by Jesus Christ, its only a matter of time before our sinful radicalism ruins the world.
No religions are perfect, but the old testament sure is a good way to understand how to live a good life free of sins, and the new testament is sure a good way to tear apart that foundation.

Thanks Max! Ignorance and intolerance are my claim to fame. I have worked many years honing it to an art form. :rofl

But don't get me started on the bible-thumpers too. I got pages and pages of material to dump on them with.
 
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No, prisoners of war are prisoners of war under the Geneva convention. you said these people aren't under the Geneva convention, and they certainly aren't prisoners of war, nor unlawful US citizens.

You obviously care, else you wouldn't reply.

So let me get this straight. You think the Geneva conventions say that all captured combatants must all be given the exact same rights, treatment, and status?

Yes or no. Feel free to explain your answer.
 
So let me get this straight. You think the Geneva conventions say that all captured combatants must all be given the exact same rights, treatment, and status?

Yes or no. Feel free to explain your answer.

Nope, thats not what I said, but according to your version of reality the people in Guantanamo are "kidnapped foreigners".. Actually thats just reality. Actually according to your posts you agree that the people in Guantanamo arent prisoners of war, and the fact that they arent trated according to the Geneva convention backs that up, and they certainly arent US criminals, so they are "kidnapped foreigners"..
And you silly people do not even support the international criminal court which is a legitimate version of putting foreign bandits on trial.

So much hypocrisy.
 
Thanks Max! Ignorance and intolerance are my claim to fame. I have worked many years honing it to an art form. :rofl

But don't get me started on the bible-thumpers too. I got pages and pages of material to dump on them with.

Personally I like the ten commandments the best and live by those laws. Did you know that the world "Satan" is hebrew for "backbiters"?

I hate people who do that, its so pathetic and it has become such a large part of society... I obey the bible in such things also(not just the ten commandments), I don't backbite for example and other avoid other things that are described as bad in the bible and obviously are bad. I try to live by the proverbs of the bible, which is my favorite section.

How about you? Going to bash the bible now? Read the proverbs and get over it.


Ps. I am not Christian by the way.
 
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but according to your version of reality the people in Guantanamo are "kidnapped foreigners".. Actually thats just reality.
:confused: make up your mind. Is it your strawman for my position or is it your position?:lol:

Actually according to your posts you agree that the people in Guantanamo arent prisoners of war
I don't know what the exact term for an unlawful combatant is under the Geneva conventions. That is whether they are given the designation POW or simply unlawful combatant. The point isn't to play stupid "gotcha" games. Thats seems to be oblivious to you. The point is to determine whether non-uniformed civilians who fight against American forces in Iraq or Afghan using conventional or unconventional methods are equally protected under the Geneva Conventions.

and the fact that they arent trated according to the Geneva convention backs that up,
PLEASE QUOTE THE GENEVA CONVENTION FOR THIS. IF YOU DO NOT THEN I SHALL ASSUME YOU HAVE NOT READ THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS AND/OR ARE JUST A LIAR. I have repeatedly asked you to back up your claims and you fail to do so. You only refer to the Geneva conventions in passing but cannot refer to the exact article or any type of reference. I would like to have a debate about this but you won't even do the most minimal of requirements and support your claims thus I must assume you don't know what you are talking about and/or are a liar.

and they certainly arent US criminals, so they are "kidnapped foreigners"..
And you silly people do not even support the international criminal court which is a legitimate version of putting foreign bandits on trial.
Please cite the document or agreement where we are required to put enemy combatants from Iraq and/or Afghanistann using the international criminal court.
 
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Even if any of this was true it wouldn't matter because the impact and the effects are so tiny. Even if Iraq donated their whole GDP to Germany and France it would only account for a tiny fraction of GDP in France and Germany.
Secondly even if it was true it wouldn't be one of the main reasons, but perhaps one reason out of say 50 whereas 10ish was very important, including the weak evidence and the lack of need to go to war in Iraq.
Why the hell go to Iraq instead of some African country?


Wait now you see that there was a big embezzelment scheme. Though who was getting blamed for the very sanctions that allowed this and gave an excuse for saddam to not feed his people?


A bigger picture unfolds if you open your eyes.



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Sorry. It was partly a joke.. But seriously, move that theory to the conspiracy forum for now.


Right, because I post facts and offer a theory based on those clear facts it must be conspircacy.

You Fail.


Ps. Corruption in politics is one of the most severe dangers to the west in general, I doubt the Saddam bribes if they ever existed would account for much of general bribes. Corruption is definetely something we must get rid of in the west to pride ourself in or politics, and the only way to do it is to rebuild politics and create enormously strong political foundations and institutions.


Yet you excuse it for france and Germany.
 
I don't know what the exact term for an unlawful combatant is under the Geneva conventions. That is whether they are given the designation POW or simply unlawful combatant. The point isn't to play stupid "gotcha" games. Thats seems to be oblivious to you. The point is to determine whether non-uniformed civilians who fight against American forces in Iraq or Afghan using conventional or unconventional methods are equally protected under the Geneva Conventions.

Legally you aren't even in Iraq.. As for the Afghan war, people whom are unlawful combatants in Afghanistan should be brought to justice in Afghanistan simply as criminals, thats what they are..

PLEASE QUOTE THE GENEVA CONVENTION FOR THIS. IF YOU DO NOT THEN I SHALL ASSUME YOU HAVE NOT READ THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS AND/OR ARE JUST A LIAR. I have repeatedly asked you to back up your claims and you fail to do so. You only refer to the Geneva conventions in passing but cannot refer to the exact article or any type of reference. I would like to have a debate about this but you won't even do the most minimal of requirements and support your claims thus I must assume you don't know what you are talking about and/or are a liar.

I don't believe torture for instance is allowed under the Geneva convention, nor was it created for "an endless" war where no one will see trial. Aside from that the kidnapped foreigners you have in Guantanamo aren't combatants under the Geneva convention.


Please cite the document or agreement where we are required to put enemy combatants from Iraq and/or Afghanistann using the international criminal court.

Why do you misunderstand everything I said? I never said that.. I just say you silly people with your Guantanamo and renditions and such don't even recognize the ICC, a legitimate version of bringing international criminals to justice, far more legitimate than kidnapping them and throwing them in jail indefinitely with no trials and no legal protection.
 
Wait now you see that there was a big embezzelment scheme. Though who was getting blamed for the very sanctions that allowed this and gave an excuse for saddam to not feed his people?

A bigger picture unfolds if you open your eyes.

Even it it was true, which it isn't it wouldn't really matter and it certainly wouldn't be any main reason for not going to Iraq, there were hundreds of better reasons to not go and dusins of places to rather go.
Perhaps you should put your belief in the conspiracy theory forum.. What is it you republican say? "troofer" or something.. "conspiracy troofer".. Something like that.


Right, because I post facts and offer a theory based on those clear facts it must be conspircacy.

This is just as much a conspiracy theory as the 911 guys.. Those weren't facts you posted, just a silly article from the "national paper" or whatver that lame republican news source was called.


You Fail.

Nice to see a mature debate. :roll:





Yet you excuse it for france and Germany.

No I don't.. I want political reform everywhere.
 
Even it it was true, which it isn't it wouldn't really matter and it certainly wouldn't be any main reason for not going to Iraq, there were hundreds of better reasons to not go and dusins of places to rather go.
Perhaps you should put your belief in the conspiracy theory forum.. What is it you republican say? "troofer" or something.. "conspiracy troofer".. Something like that.


Lets see you critisize my maturity below and you cackle this nonsense?


Please by all means if you think it is not true, dispute my claims and my evidence with your own.

surely you can find something.


This is just as much a conspiracy theory as the 911 guys.. Those weren't facts you posted, just a silly article from the "national paper" or whatver that lame republican news source was called.


Right, because a giant government conspiracy to blow up buildings in NY for no apparent reason is the same thing as factual proof of embezzlement and possibly motivations to not want to have the US go to war with thier golden goose....


Grow up.



Nice to see a mature debate. :roll:


The Good Reverend plays the level of the current audience.


No I don't.. I want political reform everywhere.



Yes I have read your elitist fascist crap before. It is a joke.
 
Lets see you critisize my maturity below and you cackle this nonsense?


Please by all means if you think it is not true, dispute my claims and my evidence with your own.

surely you can find something.





Right, because a giant government conspiracy to blow up buildings in NY for no apparent reason is the same thing as factual proof of embezzlement and possibly motivations to not want to have the US go to war with thier golden goose....


Grow up.






The Good Reverend plays the level of the current audience.






Yes I have read your elitist fascist crap before. It is a joke.


You are right in everything, end of discussion.. I will submit to the neo-nazi/con US empire and their vision of a fascist world ruled by the US by their fantastic military and everything else that is fantastic about the US, the military for example, and the US military..
 
You are right in everything, end of discussion.. I will submit to the neo-nazi/con US empire and their vision of a fascist world ruled by the US by their fantastic military and everything else that is fantastic about the US, the military for example, and the US military..


The only "nazi" around here is the european who believes in a superior group of people ruling others.


your first point however is correct. I am indeed right in everything. :2wave:



The rest of your bunk is typical european whining.
 
The only "nazi" around here is the european who believes in a superior group of people ruling others.


your first point however is correct. I am indeed right in everything. :2wave:



The rest of your bunk is typical european whining.


Its just not fun to debate with people like you, because you just derail everything, focus on irrelevant facts and debates to prove yourself right in at least 1 thing, no matter if its not related to the original thread. Then you go on like saying things like, YEAH,

Reverend Hellhound 1, Maximus Zeebra 0..

Then you go on to say something, your claim and then say my claim is wrong..

And then say "you fail".. "I win"

"The rest of your bunk is typical european whining"



Its just not the type of way of debating I prefer, so I don't want to debate anymore with you. If you care to debate in a grown up and proper way I will certainly be happy to accomodate.. And as you could understand "you being right" was a joke..


This thread is about Guantanamo btw and not the conspiracy theory about why Germany and France didn't go to war because they received TINY funds from an irrelevant country.
 
So your argument can is simply sticking your fingers in your ears, and stating I am "wrong" all while accusing me of the same thing.


Ok man. This elitist stuff is fun. :lol:
 
So your argument can is simply sticking your fingers in your ears, and stating I am "wrong" all while accusing me of the same thing.


Ok man. This elitist stuff is fun. :lol:

Did I say that? Again you put words in my mouth, I despise people who do that.. I never said what you claim and you clearly didn't read my post or you would stop you trolling.

I said "this is not what the thread is about"(your conspiracy theory), its about the closure of Guantanamo..

I think that is positive.. What do you think? Ooh, I forgot, you have no opinion on that, just the Saddam embezzelment conspiracy as a reason France and Germany didnt go to Iraq...



Ps. OWNED. <-- (ohh man, I am falling to new lows, doing something typical American here)
 
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Did I say that? Again you put words in my mouth, I despise people who do that.. I never said what you claim and you clearly didn't read my post or you would stop you trolling.

I said "this is not what the thread is about"(your conspiracy theory), its about the closure of Guantanamo..

I think that is positive.. What do you think? Ooh, I forgot, you have no opinion on that, just the Saddam embezzelment conspiracy as a reason France and Germany didnt go to Iraq...



Ps. OWNED.




:lol: yeah I am so owned. You like "Red carded me" d00d..... So euro....


but yes that is exactly what you did. You made a statment, I countered it, I then posted links and facts, and you said "nu uh" as if that was your argument. And now you claimed "owned"? ..... EUROFAIL! :lol:



As for Gitmo, you need to review the thread, I made a clear opinion on it. You ignored it.
 
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