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    Re: Guantanamo closure plan ordered

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Your such a pleasant little ball of hate...
    I dont hate but my vessels are clogging up from being on this forum
    Europe is illegally occupied by the US

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    Re: Guantanamo closure plan ordered

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I dont hate but my vessels are clogging up from being on this forum
    maybe you should leave?
    "An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it." - Gandhi

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    Re: Guantanamo closure plan ordered

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    maybe you should leave?
    Then my blood pressure would drop dangerously fast..

    Aside from that I am suffering a flu at the moment and have been the last week. Not much else to do, it would be unsensible to exercise for example.
    Last edited by Maximus Zeebra; 12-20-08 at 04:09 PM.
    Europe is illegally occupied by the US

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    Re: Guantanamo closure plan ordered

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    I saw your avatar and did not expect this, but you are 100% right. (I like the fact you're honest about Obama. He is a Marxist)

    Having them in worse conditions is a small consolation.

    I hope they get the worst of it and are housed with regular inmates... but that won't happen.

    The last thing we need is inmates killing terrorists.

    I don't think one of these terrorist bastards would survive if placed in a regular MS prison.
    BTW, I was advised by an esteemed fellow Conservative poster that my avatar gave off the wrong impression. I was trying to send a barbed (but true) message in a way that might register with the unthinking Obamabots before the election. Obviously it didn't work. I just haven't changed it yet.

    Obama is a sneaky guy who we still can't trust.

    Closing Gitmo represents the height of liberalism run amuck.

    The detainees have to be housed somewhere. Gitmo is conveniently close to the US, it poses no safety risks to civilians and the detainees are incarcerated there humanely.

    Moving them anywhere else runs the risk of changing those parameters.

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    Re: Guantanamo closure plan ordered

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Listening to you its apparently people like you who eat any horse**** they are served. I am not the one in full support of either Scrhoeder or Chirac, but they were right on the Iraq war. You seem like a typical republican that just swallows anything that comes from the leadership and adopt their policies as you own.
    Me I am a complex mix of the best of the best, I like the best of everyone and take away the ****, and adopt all the best for myself in creating my own policies and opinions
    You're a mix alright. All mixed up.

    You know anything mixed with turds is still turds.

    Let's see what they were "right" about:

    Both the German and French intel services said Saddam had WMD.
    Schroeder hid a report from one of his ministries that stated the massive effects of bio weapons that Saddam had the chemicals to produce. A small amount was deadly.

    Why would he do that?

    Chirac was a Saddam appeaser and an America hater. As Schroeder is. Just look at his history.

    Both Schroeder and Chirac supported the UN approach of dialogue and searching. We played that game for 12 years.

    What did we learn? Why wasn't the dialogue working? The UN was bought off through the Oil for Food scandal. Saddam was getting billions.

    He believed, and rightly so, that the deck was stacked in his favor. It was up to 911. After that the world changed.

    We saw the potential of a IslamoNazi terrorist hooking up with a rogue nation that hated America. Saddam was right in their yard.

    Connect the dots.

    Where did the French-German-Clinton approach get us?
    Nowhere. If anything it emboldened terrorists as the saw us as weak.

    Your Neville Chamberlain world view is dangerous.
    Learn your history, and as a start, why not read this from start to finish:
    CRG: Dr David Kay's Testimony to the Senate Armed Services Committee

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    Re: Guantanamo closure plan ordered

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    So much ignorance in your responses, so little time. So let's cut to the core.

    Saddam and WMD.

    After 911, your side screamed about: CONNECT THE DOTS

    So, let's take a trip back in time. The following transcript is from the Senate Armed Service Committee with Dr. David Kay.
    CRG: Dr David Kay's Testimony to the Senate Armed Services Committee

    It illustrates just how dangerous the reality was, and it shows how dangerous you folks and your Neville Chamberlain world view is.
    And? Your and other American right wingers arguments have been debunked and ridiculed time and time again, and yet you still spread the same bs crap over and over again.

    First off who is David Kay? He is a guy, hired by the man that said it was a "slam dunk" to find WMD in Iraq after the war. He in fact had to eat his pre war words and admit that Iraq had no WMD. And why only David Kay's testimony?

    There has been plenty of reports, testimony and investigative journalism that have proved without a doubt that the Bush administration cherry picked intelligence because the call to take out Saddam was made long before, and that the intelligence had to fit the political reality. It amazes me that even with Bush's own people finding zero, nada WMD in Iraq, that they switched their tone to "oh he could have started up his program bla bla" bullcrap.

    We also knew before the war that Iraqs WMD were destroyed, because the guy who headed the destruction defected and told us. Of course the Bush administration disregarded his words, because Bush wanted to take revenge out on Saddam who tried to hurt his daddy. We also know that during the lead up to the war, that the Bush administration were told by allies that, the facts they were pushing as truthful about Saddam were in fact a bunch of crap. Yellowcake anyone? But this also was ignored, as it did not fit Bush's policies. It was also know that quite a number of CIA operatives and other countries intelligence agency's had serious doubt about the intelligence on the status of Saddams WMD's.... so much for the "slam dunk".

    But that does not change the fact that Iraq had zero to do with 9/11.

    Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Somalia, Yemen, the Gulf States, Pakistan and Afghanistan had and have far more to do with the events leading up to 9/11 and with 9/11 directly and world terror.

    Remember Gitmo was set up because of Afghanistan and 9/11 and not Iraq.... so repeat after me .. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11.

    Was Saddam a threat? Sure, but compared to North Korea and Iran.. no where near the same threat. His country was in ruins, his military in shambles and he only stayed in power through extreme violence and fear. He was isolated. Do I think it is good we got rid of him.. sure, but I also think that the consequences have been so far not worth the effort, both for the US and the Iraqi people, and especially the world. All it did was empower Iran and Al Q and islamofasism around the world.

    Face it, the neo con right wing US government and President screwed up big time, for personal and monetary reasons, and they cant admit it. The result has been 4000 American deaths and 100k+ Iraqi deaths, hundreds of billions of dollars spent and wasted due to fraud, and leaving Iraq as a failed state in waiting. How it was worth it... but dont come laying the blame for your mess on our doorstep.... it was ALL your doing.
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    Re: Guantanamo closure plan ordered

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Obama is a sneaky guy who we still can't trust.
    Speak for yourself.

    Closing Gitmo represents the height of liberalism run amuck.

    The detainees have to be housed somewhere. Gitmo is conveniently close to the US, it poses no safety risks to civilians and the detainees are incarcerated there humanely.

    Moving them anywhere else runs the risk of changing those parameters.
    "An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it." - Gandhi

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    Re: Guantanamo closure plan ordered

    All the intel services in the world said Saddam had WMD.

    Saddam hated America.

    The chance of him supplying WMD to a terrorist was real.

    Connect the dots. (The words from your supporters post 911... aren't they good anymore?)

    You people are dangerous.
    You fail to learn from history.
    From Bali to Tunesia, Nairobi to London, Istanbul to NYC, the terrorists have struck.
    Their intentions are clear.

    Your minds are mush.

    CRG: Dr David Kay's Testimony to the Senate Armed Services Committee
    All I can say is if you read the total body of intelligence in the last 12 to 15 years that flowed on Iraq, I quite frankly think it would be hard to come to a conclusion other than Iraq was a gathering, serious threat to the world with regard to WMD.
    You people aren't only dangerous but disgusting.
    Your kind votes to send men into battle because of politics.
    Once it is politically expedient to be anti-war you switch like a bunch of traitors.

    People like this are the worst kind.
    They are willing to send men into harm's way because it will benefit them politically.
    That is the Democratic Party.

    The Euro-socialists?
    What can be said of them.
    They're ignorant of the histroy in their own back yards.
    Of the mass graves aong the beaches of France.
    Of the atrocities committed by their own Volk.
    And of the road that caused it.

    For you people, it's too bad Americans can't leave you unprotected to the Bear next door and the IslamoNazi's. Then we'll see how much talking and dialogue does for you.

    Hell, you had a conflict in your very own yard, The Balkans, and you had to come running to us. You actually protested to get us there and we had no national interest.

    When I mean Europee-ons I do not mean the British.

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    Re: Guantanamo closure plan ordered

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    You people are dangerous.
    You fail to learn from history.
    From Bali to Tunesia, Nairobi to London, Istanbul to NYC, the terrorists have struck.
    Their intentions are clear.

    Your minds are mush.

    You people aren't only dangerous but disgusting.
    Your kind votes to send men into battle because of politics.
    Once it is politically expedient to be anti-war you switch like a bunch of traitors.
    Ignorant generalizations will only make you look foolish on this board.
    "An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it." - Gandhi

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    Re: Guantanamo closure plan ordered

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post

    Your inability to make a more persuasive case is noted.

    OBL 11/24/02

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