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    Re: Guantanamo closure plan ordered

    Statements made by Democrats. Verify them at snopes.com.
    "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
    President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.

    "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
    President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.

    "Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
    Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998.

    "He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
    Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

    "[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
    Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.

    "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
    Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

    "Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
    Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.

    "There is no doubt that . Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
    Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec, 5, 2001.

    "We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
    Sen. Carl Levin (d, MI), Sept. 19, 2002.

    "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
    Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

    "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
    Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

    "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is useing and developing weapons of mass destruction."
    Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002.

    "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
    Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002.

    "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.

    "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years . We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
    Sen. Jay Rockerfeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002,

    "He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."
    Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002.

    "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
    Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

    "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction. "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he has continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...
    Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.
    I can hear it in the distance from the kool-aid drinkers... Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied... pass the joint ... Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied...
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    Re: Guantanamo closure plan ordered

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Statements made by Democrats. Verify them at snopes.com.

    I can hear it in the distance from the kool-aid drinkers... Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied... pass the joint ... Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied...
    You're drinking Grape and they're drinking Cherry... Oh, the irony.
    "An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it." - Gandhi

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    Re: Guantanamo closure plan ordered

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    You're drinking Grape and they're drinking Cherry... Oh, the irony.
    LOL. Mine's not spiked.

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    Re: Guantanamo closure plan ordered

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    LOL. Mine's not spiked.
    False. You're simply too "drunk" to realize it.
    "An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it." - Gandhi

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    Re: Guantanamo closure plan ordered

    Don't drink...
    You perhaps?

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    Re: Guantanamo closure plan ordered

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Don't drink...
    You perhaps?
    Your posts would indicate otherwise...
    "An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it." - Gandhi

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    Re: Guantanamo closure plan ordered

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Your posts would indicate otherwise...
    Me thinks you are a Liberaltarian.

    Facts get in the way of your world view?

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    Re: Guantanamo closure plan ordered

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Provide evidence of this. I know the right wing blogs and media outlets have claimed this over the years, but find me a french or german source, directly quoting either a government official or representative. Show us a news article, where the French and German intelligence agencies agree with the US and UK assessment of the situation in Iraq before the war.



    Says who? Provide evidence of this.



    Oh? because he did not bow down to the US, then he suddenly is an America hater and Saddam appeaser?!?

    Sure I hated Schroeder too, but for his political views, but he was hardly a Saddam appeaser.. of all the things he dealt with as German leader, I think that Saddam was about as important for him as say trade relations with Uganda.



    A a bit of rewriting history there I see. The policy of the US, UK, France and Germany was to isolate Saddam and bring his regime down from within and to use Iraq as a stop block against Iran. THAT was the policy of Bush nr 1 and Clinton, and a very wise policy. The UN was nothing but the instrument of the major powers, as it has always been.



    Oil for Food gave Saddam peanuts. Most of his money came from illegally smuggled oil through Jordan and Turkey.. smuggling the US knew about and did nothing about. It was brought up by the UN on many occasions and the US and UK ignored it (and France and Russia).

    As for the Oil for Food. Every single contract had to get approval by the US, UK and others. Even the contracts that the UN flagged as "odd" were given the green light by the approval committee. So as for the UN being "bought" off.. hardly. Was its management not as up to code as it should have been.. sure, but again, Saddam made most of his billions through NON UN controlled illegal smuggling with the full knowledge and approval of the US and UK. Dont listen to people like Norm Coleman and Fox News.. try to actually read the facts and evidence.



    The deck was stacked in his favor.. sure if you think so. Country isolated, people starving, military run down, society only held in check with brutal force.. sure was soooo stacked in his favour.

    As for the world changing on 9/11.... not really. The US changed yes, but not the world, since we have been fighting terror in many forms since the 1920s. There was the Jewish terror in the 1920s and 30s, then there was the Nazi terror, then there was the various communist terror during the 1950s and 1960s, then there was the PLO and other Palestinian terror in the 1970s and 1980s, and then the commie Red Army and what not. Not to forget the Corsican terror groups and ETA. Yea, we have nooo experience in Europe (or its colonies/dependants) on terror... none, nada..



    Err... lets see.. an islamonazi terrorist hooking up with a rogue nation that is very non religious for the region, treats women relatively nicely (they could vote and join the army after all), or shack up with a rogue nation that is a religous nutjob state, shares the same values and even practices them...yea right.... I would choose the first of course...


    You should actually, since you only jump from one right wing conspiracy theory to another, jumping over the actual facts. Why did you gloss over the fact that the head of the Iraqi WMD program defected to the West and said that the WMD were destroyed? And that documents found later after the war backed him up? Why did you gloss over the fact that the main intelligence source of the US, was an anti-Saddam pro Tehran Iraqi who we later found out totally screwed the US and told lie after lie?



    Saw you as weak? How so? And you dont think that the US actions since Afghanistan in any way embolded the radicals and swelled their ranks?



    You should learn your history.. ALL your history instead of cherry picking bits and rewriting the rest to fit your world view.
    One would be hard pressed to find a more jubilant demonstration of sophistry, er..............PeteEUisms. Oh wait! That is right, I'm paying attention and collecting them!

    You see in some parallel universe Petey thinks he has even a still born's understanding of US history and much much more. Seriously, but that is what comes with interwebz posers!

    PeteEUisms:
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-ele...post1057851470

    EggofTib is quickly starting to challenge you in the golden streams of "isims" you types cavort in.
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    Re: Guantanamo closure plan ordered

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Statements made by Democrats. Verify them at snopes.com.

    I can hear it in the distance from the kool-aid drinkers... Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied... pass the joint ... Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied, Bush Lied...
    ....and this is not like children?
    Europe is illegally occupied by the US

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    Re: Guantanamo closure plan ordered

    ""What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs." -- Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002
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