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Obama's new pastor controversy -- at inauguration

Moderator's Warning:
Kandahar and SgtRock, both of you stop the personal attacks or there will be further consequences.
 
This is quite puzzling indeed. Here you got a Pastor, who ideologically and categorically stands against the social "liberties" that Obama stands for. A representative of many of those who vehemently oppose President-elect Obama. Poles-apart opposites.

Yet, Obama asks this pastor to be a part of his inauguration and even bestows the high honor of allowing this pastor to swear him in as an American President.

Hmmmmmmm.....

We can spin this and say that Obama The Great :roll: is reaching out to give the appearance that he is being inclusive, all is forgiven, let's all work together, it's a new day, yada, yada, yada, yada...........

But, myself, I think it's more like Obama sayin', "Hey Preacher. We met toe-to-toe. You put your ideology out on the battlefield and so did I. You and your social army got your ass kicked. Now bend over, kiss my boots, and swear me in beotch!"

How humilating that must be for the preacher. Myself, if I were that preacher, I'd tell Obama to go swear in himself.
 
I would gladly welcome a social conservative change in the Obama administration if anything.

Richard Nixon said:
I thought Biden made clear during the VP debate that the Obama Administration opposed gay marriage but supported gay rights?
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He said the he, himself did not support gay marriage. He supports "civil unions" which is the same of marriages, legally. Using, the Hussein administration does not recognize whether or not homosexual civil unions are marriages.

Best political position to take if you do not want to offend anybody.
 
That's a nice :spin: there Skipper but Obama isn't asking Pastor Warren to perform a gay marriage, he is bestowing an honor on him. Warrens positions are as offensive to gays as if a white president were to have the Grand Poobah of the Aryan Nation holding the bible for him.
 
Captain America said:
This is quite puzzling indeed. Here you got a Pastor, who ideologically and categorically stands against the social "liberties" that Obama stands for. A representative of many of those who vehemently oppose President-elect Obama. Poles-apart opposites.

Yet, Obama asks this pastor to be a part of his inauguration and even bestows the high honor of allowing this pastor to swear him in as an American President.

Hmmmmmmm.....

We can spin this and say that Obama The Great :roll: is reaching out to give the appearance that he is being inclusive, all is forgiven, let's all work together, it's a new day, yada, yada, yada, yada...........

But, myself, I think it's more like Obama sayin', "Hey Preacher. We met toe-to-toe. You put your ideology out on the battlefield and so did I. You and your social army got your ass kicked. Now bend over, kiss my boots, and swear me in beotch!"

How humilating that must be for the preacher. Myself, if I were that preacher, I'd tell Obama to go swear in himself.
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That type of bitterness is exactly why America is completely separated by party lines.
 
Weird choice. This guys makes Reverend Wright look normal...
 
Captain America said:
This is quite puzzling indeed. Here you got a Pastor, who ideologically and categorically stands against the social "liberties" that Obama stands for. A representative of many of those who vehemently oppose President-elect Obama. Poles-apart opposites.

Yet, Obama asks this pastor to be a part of his inauguration and even bestows the high honor of allowing this pastor to swear him in as an American President.

Hmmmmmmm.....

We can spin this and say that Obama The Great :roll: is reaching out to give the appearance that he is being inclusive, all is forgiven, let's all work together, it's a new day, yada, yada, yada, yada...........

But, myself, I think it's more like Obama sayin', "Hey Preacher. We met toe-to-toe. You put your ideology out on the battlefield and so did I. You and your social army got your ass kicked. Now bend over, kiss my boots, and swear me in beotch!"

How humilating that must be for the preacher. Myself, if I were that preacher, I'd tell Obama to go swear in himself.
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Like I said, Obama and Warren are friends, they have been long before Obama ran for POTUS.
 
PeteEU said:
Weird choice. This guys makes Reverend Wright look normal...
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Not really, he looks like middle America, his views reflect the majority of Americans views. Why do you suppose Propisition 8 banning gay marriage passed in California (one of the most liberal states in America)? Because the majority of Americans think like Rick Warren. They still have morals unlike much of Europe.
 
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SgtRock said:
Not really, he looks like middle America, his views reflect the majority of Americans views.
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So you are saying that a majority of Americans are anti semite gay bashers?
 
SgtRock said:
Not really, he looks like middle America, his views reflect the majority of Americans views. Why do you suppose Propisition 8 banning gay marriage passed in California (one of the most liberal states in America)? Because the majority of Americans think like Rick Warren. They still have morals unlike much of Europe.
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Gay marriage isn't immoral. It's un-Christian, which is why the pastor is against it.
 
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Your morals are no more right than a homosexuals and as such you have no right to pass your morality off onto anyone else. You THINK you're right 'just because'.
 
SgtRock said:
Thats your opinion.
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Just as gay marriage being amoral is an opinion. Should opinions restrict the right to contract of the individual?
 
SgtRock said:
read my edit above
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Still did not answer my question, even with your edit.

Do a majority of Americans believe that Syria is a moderate state? Rick Warren does, and has visited the country praising Assad.

Rick Warren on Syria: 'A moderate country'

Does a majority of Americans believe that homosexuals lack character, are immature and demand multiple sex partners? Rick Warren does. Shows how ignorant the moron is.

And that moral crap you threw at Europe. Give me a break. The US, the champion of personal rights, pisses on the rights of certain people because some religious wack jobs do not agree with their life styles. That is not only immoral but hypocritical. Funny how many of the same excuses that were used to prevent mixing of the races, are being used today. It is unnatural, it is against gods will and so on.
 
Gibberish said:
Gay marriage isn't immoral. It's un-Christian, which is why the pastor is against it.
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So is most of life according to some Christians. Sex, booze, smoking, pork, blended fabrics...take your pick.
 
PeteEU said:
Still did not answer my question, even with your edit.

Do a majority of Americans believe that Syria is a moderate state? Rick Warren does, and has visited the country praising Assad.

Rick Warren on Syria: 'A moderate country'

Does a majority of Americans believe that homosexuals lack character, are immature and demand multiple sex partners? Rick Warren does. Shows how ignorant the moron is.

And that moral crap you threw at Europe. Give me a break. The US, the champion of personal rights, pisses on the rights of certain people because some religious wack jobs do not agree with their life styles. That is not only immoral but hypocritical. Funny how many of the same excuses that were used to prevent mixing of the races, are being used today. It is unnatural, it is against gods will and so on.
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Oh yes, can you say SNAPSHOT! Another Golden Moment from the PeteEUisms latrine!

Yay!:2wave:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-elections/40862-changing-face-us-politics-4.html#post1057851470
 
Yes!

I'm glad that this iniciative of mine is growing faster and wider than the progressives'. I wrote long ago that allowing gay marriage is comparable to allowing marriage between "consenting adults" commiting incest, and accepting officially zoophilia, necrophilia, polygamy, etc.

All these kind of sexual behaviors from above are negative to society.

Well, check this link from Yahoo news

Pastor Rick Warren defends invite to inauguration - Yahoo! News


He said that he loves gays, but of course not the way of physical attraction or similar, -because his beliefs are based in a religion where the god commands to love others, including the enemies- but, loving your neighbor without changing your principles at all, and this is something I experience myself, I do know people who are gay, I can talk to them but this doesn't mean that my principles will change because them.

The words of this pastor are part of the increasing iniciative to educate people about what is the real status of homosexuality in our society:

"I have many gay friends. I've eaten dinner in gay homes. No church has probably done more for people with AIDS than Saddleback Church," he said in a recent interview with BeliefNet. But later in the interview, he compared the "redefinition of marriage" to include gay marriage to legitimizing incest, child abuse, and polygamy."

See? Such is the status of homosexuality and other negative sexual behaviors, and people must be educated in that way to stop comparing homosexuals -who decided to choose such a negative sexual behavior- with the discrimination against women and color people. It is very important to teach that women have born women, and that blacks have born blacks, but homosexuals is just a choice, like incest, polygamy. etc.

We can vote against such a negative choice (gay marriage) in order to progress in the right path. Many of the current progressives are a joke, like a joke is to call a "gay to a "homosexual ", because homosexuals are in reality very unhappy people...just look how they are always complaining...many of them hide themselves in "the closet" :shock: for me, they are not happy (gay) but funny (their way of talking, walking, thinking...) :mrgreen:

The invitation of Obama to this pastor in his inauguration is part of his many invitations, because Obama has invited another religious leader who supports gay marriage, and as a politician who wants unification in this country, his choices appear to be smart, however, this game made by Obama may reveal that by having him trying to please everybody, he will trap himself and when you are trap youb get desperate and more errors will be made by lots.

Obama must understand that if he opposes gay marriage, the reason is because such a choice is wrong, period. This is not a case to support the both sides of this argument, Obama must define himself and express his principles -right or wrong- to the public. Obama must be aware that this is not a case of gaining popularity as his cover sheet but of keeping honor as his flag.
 
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conquer said:
Yes!

I'm glad that this iniciative of mine is growing faster and wider than the progressives'. I wrote long ago that allowing gay marriage is comparable to allowing marriage between "consenting adults" commiting incest, and accepting officially zoophilia, necrophilia, polygamy, etc.

All these kind of sexual behaviors from above are negative to society.

Well, check this link from Yahoo news

Pastor Rick Warren defends invite to inauguration - Yahoo! News


He said that he loves gays, but of course not the way of physical attraction or similar, -because his beliefs are based in a religion where the god commands to love others, including the enemies- but, loving your neighbor without changing your principles at all, and this is something I experience myself, I do know people who are gay, I can talk to them but this doesn't mean that my principles will change because them.

The words of this pastor are part of the increasing iniciative to educate people about what is the real status of homosexuality in our society:

"I have many gay friends. I've eaten dinner in gay homes. No church has probably done more for people with AIDS than Saddleback Church," he said in a recent interview with BeliefNet. But later in the interview, he compared the "redefinition of marriage" to include gay marriage to legitimizing incest, child abuse, and polygamy."

See? Such is the status of homosexuality and other negative sexual behaviors, and people must be educated in that way to stop comparing homosexuals -who decided to choose such a negative sexual behavior- with the discrimination against women and color people. It is very important to teach that women have born women, and that blacks have born blacks, but homosexuals is just a choice, like incest, polygamy. etc.

We can vote against such a negative choice (gay marriage) in order to progress in the right path. Many of the current progressives are a joke, like a joke is to call a "gay to a "homosexual ", because homosexuals are in reality very unhappy people...just look how they are always complaining...many of them hide themselves in "the closet" :shock: for me, they are not happy (gay) but funny (their way of talking, walking, thinking...) :mrgreen:

The invitation of Obama to this pastor in his inauguration is part of his many invitations, because Obama has invited another religious leader who supports gay marriage, and as a politician who wants unification in this country, his choices appear to be smart, however, this game made by Obama may reveal that by having him trying to please everybody, he will trap himself and when you are trap youb get desperate and more errors will be made by lots.

Obama must understand that if he opposes gay marriage, the reason is because such a choice is wrong, period. This is not a case to support the both sides of this argument, Obama must define himself and express his principles -right or wrong- to the public. Obama must be aware that this is not a case of gaining popularity as his cover sheet but of keeping honor as his flag.
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Your uninformed and ignorant position, especially comparing homosexuality to incest, polygamy etc. is a sad commentary and an excellent example of the dangers of religion.
 
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Your uninformed and ignorant position, especially comparing homosexuality to incest, polygamy etc. is a sad commentary and an excellent example of the dangers of religion.
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So, you support incest, zoophilia, necrophilia, polygamy, sodomism, etc. as to be recognized "officially" by the law.

If you don't, then you also don't support homosexuality, because homophilia is part of the group mentioned right above.
 
conquer said:
If you don't, then you also don't support homosexuality, because homophilia is part of the group mentioned right above.
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Says who? You? Sorry but you'll forgive me if I think your comment is loaded with nothing but Bull****.

Fine, if you support Christianity, then you support Satanism and Islam, and religions that screw underage children, because they all are part of the religion group.
 
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What the hell is "homophilia"?

Gays that don't coagulate?
 
I am still :rofl about the idea that being gay is a "choice."

There is no way in hell that I could "make a choice" and just "decide" one day that I want to be gay.

I couldn't be gay if I had a gun up to the side of my head.

That is so rediculous.

People are either gay or they ain't. And if the religious nuts have a problem with that maybe they oughta just bitch about it to God because He is, after all, The One that makes people the way they are. (That is, if you believe in all that superstitious stuff.)

I sometimes wonder if some parts of the country have higher concentrations of lead content in their water than other places do. There HAS to be a logical explaination as to how some people can be so....well, you know. :roll:
 
conquer said:
So, you support incest, zoophilia, necrophilia, polygamy, sodomism, etc. as to be recognized "officially" by the law.

If you don't, then you also don't support homosexuality, because homophilia is part of the group mentioned right above.
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All of a sudden it started to smell like Stinger around here. :confused:
 
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