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Feds Seize New York Office Building Tied to Iranian Government

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Source: Fox News
Date: Dec 17, 2008

Federal authorities moved in Wednesday to seize control of a New York City office building partially owned by a company with ties to the Iranian government.

The move by officials at the Treasury and Justice Departments is designed to stop the flow of funds they say are used to help Iran's efforts to build nuclear weapons

The government alleges that Assa Corp., the building's owner, is a shell company for Bank Melli, which is accused of facilitating the movement of nuclear materials for the Iranian government.

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Intresting article. Good move by the Feds. I think its not such a great idea to allow Iranian business, especially state owned banks to operate in the United States. Iran is a threat to the USA and our allies and must be stopped from developing nuclear weapons.
 
Intresting article. Good move by the Feds. I think its not such a great idea to allow Iranian business, especially state owned banks to operate in the United States. Iran is a threat to the USA and our allies and must be stopped from developing nuclear weapons.

I wouldn't support a blanket ban on Iranian citizens from operating business in the US. The Iranian government is another matter and I think the Feds were right to do what they did, particularly because the Iranian gov was trying to conceal its ownership
 
I wouldn't support a blanket ban on Iranian citizens from operating business in the US. The Iranian government is another matter and I think the Feds were right to do what they did, particularly because the Iranian gov was trying to conceal its ownership


Im glad you agree. Most resonable people understand that Iran is a threat. I have no doubt that if Iran obtains nuclear weapons that they will use them. The problem is stoping Iran from developing them. Sanctions are not working. Oil revenues are down for Iran as well as the rest of the world. How long should Israel wait before attacking Irans nuclear facilities? They will be condemned by many if they do, and they could be destroyed if they do not.
 
Im glad you agree. Most resonable people understand that Iran is a threat. I have no doubt that if Iran obtains nuclear weapons that they will use them. The problem is stoping Iran from developing them. Sanctions are not working. Oil revenues are down for Iran as well as the rest of the world. How long should Israel wait before attacking Irans nuclear facilities? They will be condemned by many if they do, and they could be destroyed if they do not.

I don't feel threatened by Iran in the slightest, and don't think that Iran would be stupid enough to use nuclear weapons if they ever get them (exceptional circumstances aside). However, the Iranian government has committed many crimes, relating both to terrorism and human rights. I have no problems with the economic sanctions imposed on Iran, including seizing its assets.
 
I don't feel threatened by Iran in the slightest, and don't think that Iran would be stupid enough to use nuclear weapons if they ever get them (exceptional circumstances aside). However, the Iranian government has committed many crimes, relating both to terrorism and human rights. I have no problems with the economic sanctions imposed on Iran, including seizing its assets.


Do you know what the twelvers are?
 
No, I don't. What are they?

The twelvers are Shiites including President Ahmadinejad of Iran and others who believe the the 12th Imam Mahdi is going to return one day and sit at the head of an Islamic Caliphate. Ahmadinejad believes the day is comming soon and he will prepare the way for the return. In order for this to take place the world will have to be at war and muslims will be persecuted by non believers (infidels). He is not alone in this belief.

Please take the time to read the following article. You can also resarch it on your own. There is much material on the subject available.

As Iran rushes towards confrontation with the world over its nuclear programme, the question uppermost in the mind of western leaders is "What is moving its President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to such recklessness?"

Political analysts point to the fact that Iran feels strong because of high oil prices, while America has been weakened by the insurgency in Iraq.


But listen carefully to the utterances of Mr Ahmadinejad - recently described by President George W Bush as an "odd man" - and there is another dimension, a religious messianism that, some suspect, is giving the Iranian leader a dangerous sense of divine mission.

In November, the country was startled by a video showing Mr Ahmadinejad telling a cleric that he had felt the hand of God entrancing world leaders as he delivered a speech to the UN General Assembly last September.

When an aircraft crashed in Teheran last month, killing 108 people, Mr Ahmadinejad promised an investigation. But he also thanked the dead, saying: "What is important is that they have shown the way to martyrdom which we must follow."

The most remarkable aspect of Mr Ahmadinejad's piety is his devotion to the Hidden Imam, the Messiah-like figure of Shia Islam, and the president's belief that his government must prepare the country for his return.

One of the first acts of Mr Ahmadinejad's government was to donate about £10 million to the Jamkaran mosque, a popular pilgrimage site where the pious come to drop messages to the Hidden Imam into a holy well.

All streams of Islam believe in a divine saviour, known as the Mahdi, who will appear at the End of Days. A common rumour - denied by the government but widely believed - is that Mr Ahmadinejad and his cabinet have signed a "contract" pledging themselves to work for the return of the Mahdi and sent it to Jamkaran.

Iran's dominant "Twelver" sect believes this will be Mohammed ibn Hasan, regarded as the 12th Imam, or righteous descendant of the Prophet Mohammad.

He is said to have gone into "occlusion" in the ninth century, at the age of five. His return will be preceded by cosmic chaos, war and bloodshed. After a cataclysmic confrontation with evil and darkness, the Mahdi will lead the world to an era of universal peace.

This is similar to the Christian vision of the Apocalypse. Indeed, the Hidden Imam is expected to return in the company of Jesus.

Mr Ahmadinejad appears to believe that these events are close at hand and that ordinary mortals can influence the divine timetable.

The prospect of such a man obtaining nuclear weapons is worrying. The unspoken question is this: is Mr Ahmadinejad now tempting a clash with the West because he feels safe in the belief of the imminent return of the Hidden Imam? Worse, might he be trying to provoke chaos in the hope of hastening his reappearance?


The 49-year-old Mr Ahmadinejad, a former top engineering student, member of the Revolutionary Guards and mayor of Teheran, overturned Iranian politics after unexpectedly winning last June's presidential elections.

The main rift is no longer between "reformists" and "hardliners", but between the clerical establishment and Mr Ahmadinejad's brand of revolutionary populism and superstition.

Its most remarkable manifestation came with Mr Ahmadinejad's international debut, his speech to the United Nations.

World leaders had expected a conciliatory proposal to defuse the nuclear crisis after Teheran had restarted another part of its nuclear programme in August.

Instead, they heard the president speak in apocalyptic terms of Iran struggling against an evil West that sought to promote "state terrorism", impose "the logic of the dark ages" and divide the world into "light and dark countries".

The speech ended with the messianic appeal to God to "hasten the emergence of your last repository, the Promised One, that perfect and pure human being, the one that will fill this world with justice and peace".

In a video distributed by an Iranian web site in November, Mr Ahmadinejad described how one of his Iranian colleagues had claimed to have seen a glow of light around the president as he began his speech to the UN.

"I felt it myself too," Mr Ahmadinejad recounts. "I felt that all of a sudden the atmosphere changed there. And for 27-28 minutes all the leaders did not blink…It's not an exaggeration, because I was looking.

"They were astonished, as if a hand held them there and made them sit. It had opened their eyes and ears for the message of the Islamic Republic."

Western officials said the real reason for any open-eyed stares from delegates was that "they couldn't believe what they were hearing from Ahmadinejad".

Their sneaking suspicion is that Iran's president actually relishes a clash with the West in the conviction that it would rekindle the spirit of the Islamic revolution and - who knows - speed up the arrival of the Hidden Imam

'Divine mission' driving Iran's new leader - Telegraph
 
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I know few people in Britain or America that agree with that. We generally don't consider it a threat, we're more worried about the EU.

Most people don't recognize threats until they are marching through their country.
 
The twelvers are Shiites including President Ahmadinejad of Iran and others who believe the the 12th Imam Mahdi is going to return one day and sit at the head of an Islamic Caliphate. Ahmadinejad believes the day is comming soon and he will prepare the way for the return. In order for this to take place the world will have to be at war and muslims will be persecuted by non believers (infidels). He is not alone in this belief

OOOhhhhh - I did know that actually :doh

Sorry, I'm just coming off of finals week and my Religion and Politics class was the first I had - everything I learned in it has been forcibly expelled from my mind for a week or two

Back on topic - I still don't think that he would use a nuclear weapon should he acquire one. Palin believes that Jesus will return in her lifetime. We don't see her working towards the rapture. Even if Ahmadinejad were to acquire and use nuclear weapons, I seriously doubt that it would be to bring back the 12th Imam, and I think that it would be extremely foolish to base national policy on that fear.
 
Well the largest threat is usually there already.

Iran is no threat to Britain.

Yea, we are all best of pals. Given the chance they would never try to hurt us. "DEATH TO AMERICA!"

Welcome to Fantasy Land.

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In the case of the Iranian gov't, we hate them for who they are. And justly so.
 
Yea, we are all best of pals. Given the chance they would never try to hurt us. "DEATH TO AMERICA!"

Welcome to Fantasy Land.

In the case of the Iranian gov't, we hate them for who they are. And justly so.

Known of this makes them a threat to Britain. I will not risk my domestic liberty and external security on ideological, interventionist crusades for that kind of reasoning.
 
Known of this makes them a threat to Britain. I will not risk my domestic liberty and external security on ideological, interventionist crusades for that kind of reasoning.

Its "interventionist crusades" that ensured that you wouldn't be speaking Russian today, comrade.
 
Its "interventionist crusades" that ensured that you wouldn't be speaking Russian today, comrade.

Bollocks.

Interventionist, ideological crusades are more liberal than conservative, so I don't know who you are calling comrade, commissar scourge.

I'm voicing an ancient Tory and Old Whig distrust of foreign wars and standing armies, that goes back at least as far as Clarendon and the Cavalier parliament.
 
Bollocks.

Interventionist, ideological crusades are more liberal than conservative, so I don't know who you are calling comrade, commissar scourge.

I'm voicing an ancient Tory and Old Whig distrust of foreign wars and standing armies, that goes back at least as far as Clarendon and the Cavalier parliament.

I'd say Liberal Democracies have gotten along very well. Your distrust is misguided and your reasoning is antiquated.
 
When would Iran be a "threat", in your opinion? When is one justified in acting against a perceived "threat"?

When it was actually likely to impinge on the liberty and external security of Britain.

When is a country not a threat in your opinion?
 
When it was actually likely to impinge on the liberty and external security of Britain.
Because reactionary and isolationist strategies have worked in the past, right?

When is a country not a threat in your opinion?

When a country's national slogan isn't "Death to America!". I'd say that's a good starting point.
 
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Because reactionary and isolationist strategies have worked in the past, right?
Certainly.


When a country's national slogan isn't "Death to America!". I'd say that's a good starting point.

Your being hysterical.
 
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Walk around with a big stick. And talk softly.


The only way to truely know if a country is a threat or if you are being lied to for power gain is to wait and see. Anything else spoils the surprise. And even if you have to invade another country you do it as peacefull as possible. Once you have been attacked.... You send rockets without explosives over all their militairy bases with messages letting them know that in less than an hour their building will be exploded with no troops used against them for them to fight. So they flee or die. You destroy the complexes and then use drones to drop messages on 100% of all civilians that you are being attacked wrongly and only their teeth have been destroyed. We will send no aggressors. We wish for you to live. But stop. Never once cost a soldier on your side a life, and spare the absolute maximum possible on the other side with the greatest chance for peace. You may even be able to do it without bombing all their militairy. But you can't be invading people for it to work.
 
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