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    Re: GM puts Volt engine plant on hold to conserve cash

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    As I said, it is permanent for us, because the supply will far exceed our lifetimes.
    That's not permanent just because you don't have to deal with it. And show me proof that is is multiple generations.

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    That is unfortunate, because I would not. I rather doubt that several thousand generations of our posterity (exceeding the length of history so far recorded by at least an order of magnitude,) would appreciate being handed masses of nuclear waste to safeguard so that we could operate our electric go-carts for a while
    So your solution is to remain a slave to coal and oil because it is convenient to you. That is what is sad.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    How many vital human activities do you suppose ever go for even a single generation without a major failure? Why would you suppose that people living a quarter of a million years or more from now would continue to be good custodians of our poison? Would they even remember safe guard or avoid the stuff?
    So your solution is to do nothing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    I said that rather plainly. It would be viable solution for a number of generations
    No if won't be, but because it doesn't concern you, you don't care. That is what is really sad.

    Coal is a pollutant. No matter what you may think.

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    Re: GM puts Volt engine plant on hold to conserve cash

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    IMO the Auto Company's primarily Chrysler and GM are attempting to force the Government to bail them out.
    They have thus far not offered a single restructuring plan, it seems to be that they are saying to Government Pay up or else.
    I say let them go under, chapter 11 bankruptcy then perhaps we may get Companies that are properly run.
    Hey, why not give over control of GM & Chrysler to the Unions, let them sort it out?
    Are you boycotting EVERY bank and EVERY loan company that recieved a bailout from the government? Just curious.

    I assume if you are against the bailouts you have cut every credit card you have and every loan you have with banks and credit card companies that received a bailout from the government.

    So what banks and credit card companies are you still with? I am sure some of them are with the government bailout in some sort of fashion, care to list which banks and which credit card companies you are still with?

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    Re: GM puts Volt engine plant on hold to conserve cash

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Umm so your option is to do nothing about it and just do the norm.

    Even though it is proven that Electric Cars and Hybrids can help get us off foreign oil as a ENTIRE fuel source.

    I take it you are for only two things, oil and coal, because you think those are permanent to your generation. How generous of you.

    Thing again, I am not saying that Hybrids and electric will get us off entierly, but it is a good start.

    Your idea is to just do what we have because coal and oil are premanent to your generation right?
    I've answered the generational point you bring up in another post under this topic, but maybe not in a way you'll appreciate.

    What I am for, is to use what is currently available and allow brilliant minds and rapacious souls to bring top market viable options at some point in the future. I am against premature "feel good" detours into half baked schemes that provide little benefit.

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    Re: GM puts Volt engine plant on hold to conserve cash

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    I've answered the generational point you bring up in another post under this topic, but maybe not in a way you'll appreciate.

    What I am for, is to use what is currently available and allow brilliant minds and rapacious souls to bring top market viable options at some point in the future. I am against premature "feel good" detours into half baked schemes that provide little benefit.

    Sorry but that isn't a future plan. What you are waiting for is some miraculous plan that gets us off entirely off of oil, that's not going to happen.

    What is going to happen is technology that happens in steps. Electric hybrids is the start and so is electric vehicles. They aren't the solution but they are the steps in the right direction versus staying with the norm or waiting for some miraculous energy fairy that gets us off oil or coal that you seem to want because it will have to happen fully after your lifetime and you don't seem to care.

    We have to deal with realty and work towards steps.

    The whole, "it ain't going to happen in my lifetime so I don't care" mentality has to stop. That is the big oil mentality.
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    Re: GM puts Volt engine plant on hold to conserve cash

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Sorry but that isn't a future plan. What you are waiting for is some miraculous plan that gets us off entirely off of oil, that's not going to happen.

    What is going to happen is technology that happens in steps. Electric hybrids is the start and so is electric vehicles. They aren't the solution but they are the steps in the right direction versus staying with the norm or waiting for some miraculous energy fairy that gets us off oil or coal that you seem to want because it will have to happen fully after your lifetime and you don't seem to care.

    We have to deal with realty and work towards steps.

    The whole, "it ain't going to happen in my lifetime so I don't care" mentality has to stop. That is the big oil mentality.
    I rather like to think that it won't happen in other people's lifetime.

    However you miss my point. I require no great fantasy to see the possibilities of viable energy solutions. But little electric cars just aren't a good choice. Not unless near limitless clean energy can be produced.

    There are possibilities for this however. One of the best, is orbital solar cells transmitting power to the surface in the form of microwave lasers. (In a pinch they'd make great weapons too!)

    Such things are just beyond current technology, but far beyond current economic pressures.

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    Re: GM puts Volt engine plant on hold to conserve cash

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    I rather like to think that it won't happen in other people's lifetime.

    However you miss my point. I require no great fantasy to see the possibilities of viable energy solutions. But little electric cars just aren't a good choice. Not unless near limitless clean energy can be produced.

    There are possibilities for this however. One of the best, is orbital solar cells transmitting power to the surface in the form of microwave lasers. (In a pinch they'd make great weapons too!)

    Such things are just beyond current technology, but far beyond current economic pressures.

    So what you're hoping for is something to be better that isn't there yet.

    Um solar power is the most inefficient method compared to electric or hybrid right now and you just hoping that it will be better? Gimme a break.

    Not even taking into consideration cloud cover or anything else. Also microwave bandwidth is extremely small from space compared to what is receieved on Earth to be considreed a viable energy source.

    So again, you don't care what happens now, you just hope and pray there is some miracle thing that happens in the future. Sorry, but that isn't how it happens.

    We didn't magically go from the 8051 to the Quad Core processors we have now. That isn't how technology works.

    If electric and hybird electric don't prove themselves as permanent, they sure and the hell prove themselves to be transitional technologies to what is to come better than NOTHING like you want to wait and happen later.

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    Re: GM puts Volt engine plant on hold to conserve cash

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So what you're hoping for is something to be better that isn't there yet.

    Um solar power is the most inefficient method compared to electric or hybrid right now and you just hoping that it will be better? Gimme a break.

    Not even taking into consideration cloud cover or anything else. Also microwave bandwidth is extremely small from space compared to what is receieved on Earth to be considreed a viable energy source.

    So again, you don't care what happens now, you just hope and pray there is some miracle thing that happens in the future. Sorry, but that isn't how it happens.

    We didn't magically go from the 8051 to the Quad Core processors we have now. That isn't how technology works.

    If electric and hybird electric don't prove themselves as permanent, they sure and the hell prove themselves to be transitional technologies to what is to come better than NOTHING like you want to wait and happen later.
    Very well. You support existing bad technology that will cost much and save little, I support the development of technology that doesn't yet exist.

    I think we've about exhausted the possibilities of discussion here.

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    Re: GM puts Volt engine plant on hold to conserve cash

    Edit: Previously I said that Microwave Bandwidth is small compared to what is received on Earth, that is incorrect, what I meant to say is the Power that is transmitted from a space based Microwave antenna and what is received on Earth from that is small sorry.

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    Re: GM puts Volt engine plant on hold to conserve cash

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Very well. You support existing bad technology that will cost much and save little, I support the development of technology that doesn't yet exist.

    I think we've about exhausted the possibilities of discussion here.
    Not really the reality of the situation is that 40 miles that does not use gas is better than 40 miles that does use gas.

    Can't get past those facts.

    You lose. Keep dreaming that other technologies may help us, but we have some technologies now that will help us now. You can't dispute this.

    I have no doubt that we may get better ways, but everything happens in steps. We don't go from the 8051 processor to the processors we have now in a single step.

    Electric cars and Electric hybrids are only a start and not the solution, but it is better than waiting on a dream solution form somewhere else. Hell we are in a market so if this dream solution happens, it will surpass the electric/electric hybrid so what are you worried about?

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    Re: GM puts Volt engine plant on hold to conserve cash

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Not really the reality of the situation is that 40 miles that does not use gas is better than 40 miles that does use gas.

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    Do you think your cost for the energy to go that 40 miles will be less with electric?

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