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    Re: GM puts Volt engine plant on hold to conserve cash

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Coal is a staple that will get us through a transition. Tell me is coal everlasting? Will we never run out of coal? other methods need to be thought of NOW, so in the future they can be implemented.
    Other methods are not currently viable. Nuclear fission is certainly not a good alternative, when the problem of nuclear waste is considered.

    Coal my be transitional, but it can easily be transitional across several generations.

    This means that for us, coal would be a permanent solution.

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    Re: GM puts Volt engine plant on hold to conserve cash

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Other methods are not currently viable. Nuclear fission is certainly not a good alternative, when the problem of nuclear waste is considered.

    Coal my be transitional, but it can easily be transitional across several generations.

    This means that for us, coal would be a permanent solution.
    40% of electric companies are already saying their are ready for eclectic cars.

    I hardly consider that being not viable. Others can be as well with nuclear power, which will be a viable power.

    How is coal a permanent solution when it is not unlimited? Especially considering how pollutant coal is even under the best conditions.

    I'd rather have nuclear than coal.

    Or are you thinking coal is a permanent solution for YOUR generation and not others?
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    Re: GM puts Volt engine plant on hold to conserve cash

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    My point is the alternative is to do nothing. Which is better? We know cars are going to be built. We know right now we use oil.

    Are you seriously telling me the best alternative to dependence on foreign oil is to do NOTHING? That is what has been done for decades.

    So my point yet again is, what is better, to do nothing or try to do something about it?

    Electric Cars and Electric Hybrids are the start. And it is a hell of a lot better than doing NOTHING and just waiting.
    Of course I'm NOT telling you to do nothing. Not sure where you got that notion . Just because I don't think electric cars are the answer, let alone a good start to ween ourselves off of oil, it doesn't mean I think we should sit on our arses. As I said before, this issue is near and dear to me, so I've done a lot of reading and research on the subject.

    The best start would be to drive less. Lower speed limits. Ditch gas guzzlers and only drive fuel-efficient cars. Car pool or take public transportation. Light rail. And how about this? Instead of accepting the plastic bags that the grocery store hands out by the fistfull, bring your own every time you shop.

    Those things alone would greatly reduce our consumption of oil, without having to worry about building a zillion power plants that need oil and pollute the environment anyway. All the while we become adept to conservation, R&D people come up with long-term solutions that make sense all around.
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    Re: GM puts Volt engine plant on hold to conserve cash

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    The best start would be to drive less. Lower speed limits. Ditch gas guzzlers and only drive fuel-efficient cars. Car pool or take public transportation. Light rail. And how about this? Instead of accepting the plastic bags that the grocery store hands out by the fistfull, bring your own every time you shop.
    Huh, all those things still require buying foreign oil, how is that better than using domestic energy over foreign oil?

    Remember the idea is to get off foreign oil, not just buy a little less.

    Tell me do you really think that car manufacturers will make cars that are more efficient?

    How much more efficient? 5 gallons per mile max more than what they are now? Look at what they have done so far.

    Sorry I disagree I'd rather use domestic energy than foreign oil. You seem to want to use ALL foreign oil.
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    Re: GM puts Volt engine plant on hold to conserve cash

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    They're going to go under anyways; might as well make as many environmentally friendly cars as possible in that time period.
    Good grief! What makes you think that an electric car is "environmentally friendly"?

    Your just moving energy production for the engine to a power plant somewhere, with a loss of energy in transmission and charging.

    Plus, the exotic metals for the huge batteries must be mined somewhere with the environmental issues that brings.

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    Re: GM puts Volt engine plant on hold to conserve cash

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Huh, all those things still require buying foreign oil, how is that better than using domestic energy over foreign oil?
    The domestic energy is not necessarily domestic. It takes oil to run 'em. As I previously posted:

    People tend to think of "alternatives to oil" as somehow independent from oil. In reality, the alternatives to oil are more accurately described as "derivatives of oil." It takes massive amounts of oil and other scarce resources to locate and mine the raw materials (silver, copper, platinum, uranium, etc.) necessary to build solar panels, windmills, and nuclear power plants. It takes more oil to construct these alternatives and even more oil to distribute them, maintain them, and adapt current infrastructure to run on them.


    Remember the idea is to get off foreign oil, not just buy a little less.
    Yes. But it will take time. Consume less and there will be less needed to buy. BTW, the United States gets most of it's foreign oil from Canada.

    Tell me do you really think that car manufacturers will make cars that are more efficient?
    Yup. Toyota, Honda and Hyundai, to name a few. My car takes 40 litres, and I fill up once every 2 weeks. I also do a lot of walking and take public transportation when I can. When gas was $1.50 a litre here, it didn't affect me much.

    How much more efficient? 5 gallons per mile max more than what they are now? Look at what they have done so far.
    Take a look at how they build cars in Europe. Some get 60 kms to the litre.

    Sorry I disagree I'd rather use domestic energy than foreign oil. You seem to want to use ALL foreign oil.
    Domestic energy can be just as foreign as foreign oil.
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    Re: GM puts Volt engine plant on hold to conserve cash

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Good grief! What makes you think that an electric car is "environmentally friendly"?

    Your just moving energy production for the engine to a power plant somewhere, with a loss of energy in transmission and charging.

    Plus, the exotic metals for the huge batteries must be mined somewhere with the environmental issues that brings.
    Umm so your option is to do nothing about it and just do the norm.

    Even though it is proven that Electric Cars and Hybrids can help get us off foreign oil as a ENTIRE fuel source.

    I take it you are for only two things, oil and coal, because you think those are permanent to your generation. How generous of you.

    Thing again, I am not saying that Hybrids and electric will get us off entierly, but it is a good start.

    Your idea is to just do what we have because coal and oil are premanent to your generation right?

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    Re: GM puts Volt engine plant on hold to conserve cash

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Domestic energy can be just as foreign as foreign oil.
    It's domestic not foreign. It is American Made. There is a difference.

    To the rest of what you post, what do you suggest, the same as always?

    You want to just remain a slave to foreign oil.

    Plain and simple. You may not have to endure it fully but your children, or your children's children will have to endure it. Are you only concerned with yourself?

    Oil is not permanent. Coal is not permanent. So do you only care what you have to deal with and not the future?

    Future technologies need to be thought of now. If you don't care, we get that. If you only care about yourself now, not what your children may have to deal with, then they will deal with worse than what you have now. This is the same thing we have dealt with each generation.

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    Re: GM puts Volt engine plant on hold to conserve cash

    IMO the Auto Company's primarily Chrysler and GM are attempting to force the Government to bail them out.
    They have thus far not offered a single restructuring plan, it seems to be that they are saying to Government Pay up or else.
    I say let them go under, chapter 11 bankruptcy then perhaps we may get Companies that are properly run.
    Hey, why not give over control of GM & Chrysler to the Unions, let them sort it out?

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    Re: GM puts Volt engine plant on hold to conserve cash

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    40% of electric companies are already saying their are ready for eclectic cars.

    I hardly consider that being not viable. Others can be as well with nuclear power, which will be a viable power.
    I have serious doubts about this, but if you say so.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    How is coal a permanent solution when it is not unlimited? Especially considering how pollutant coal is even under the best conditions.
    As I said, it is permanent for us, because the supply will far exceed our lifetimes.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I'd rather have nuclear than coal.
    That is unfortunate, because I would not. I rather doubt that several thousand generations of our posterity (exceeding the length of history so far recorded by at least an order of magnitude,) would appreciate being handed masses of nuclear waste to safeguard so that we could operate our electric go-carts for a while.

    How many vital human activities do you suppose ever go for even a single generation without a major failure? Why would you suppose that people living a quarter of a million years or more from now would continue to be good custodians of our poison? Would they even remember to safe guard or avoid the stuff?

    I know of few actives that make more presumptuous assumptions, or demands upon the goodwill of strangers than the generation of energy by nuclear fission.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Or are you thinking coal is a permanent solution for YOUR generation and not others?
    I said that rather plainly. It would be viable solution for a number of generations
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