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    Re: GM puts Volt engine plant on hold to conserve cash

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I am guessing you didn't see the link here:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...ve-cash-4.html

    The fact is many Electric companies are prepared for it, but the logic is not everyone is going to buy one right away so the electric grid is not going to be under strain right away.

    This means upgrades and this means that nuclear power might finally be a viable and publicly accepted option in the future.

    That's not a bad thing. The alternative is to remain a slave to foreign oil as a mjority. Which is better to research?
    My worry is the cost of charging up an electric car verses filling a car up up with gas.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: GM puts Volt engine plant on hold to conserve cash

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    My worry is the cost of charging up an electric car verses filling a car up up with gas.
    So let me get this straight. You are worrying whether it will cost more to use foreign gasoline than domestic electricity? That's a hoot. Either you don't know your electric bill to well, or you don't understand how much it costs to get gasoline from foreign countries. Let me know which.

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    Re: GM puts Volt engine plant on hold to conserve cash

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So let me get this straight. You are worrying whether it will cost more to use foreign gasoline than domestic electricity? That's a hoot. Either you don't know your electric bill to well, or you don't understand how much it costs to get gasoline from foreign countries. Let me know which.
    Its one thing when millions of Americans are just using their electricity to power the home electronics, appliances and heating and air conditioning and it is another when you throw in a car. I think a increased demand of electricity will have a impact of prices or at least give the electric companies an excuse to increase prices. At least with hybrids as far as I know the engine charges the batteries and doesn't plug into a socket. I do not know how much electricity it takes to charge an electric car , how many miles a dollars worth of electricity will take you or even if the cost of an electric car and the money spent on the electricity on the life of the car verses that of a gas powered car.
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    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: GM puts Volt engine plant on hold to conserve cash

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Its one thing when millions of Americans are just using their electricity to power the home electronics, appliances and heating and air conditioning and it is another when you throw in a car. I think a increased demand of electric will have a impact of prices or at least give the electric companies an excuse to increase prices. At least with hybrids as far as I know the engine charges the batteries and doesn't plug into a socket.
    Again you are assuming everyone in America is going to switch when the electric car comes out.

    That simply is a false assumption. Do you think if a new Corvette model came out everyone would be driving the corvette?

    Not everyone is going to switch and it will give data to how much of an increase a hybrid will give and with other electric models coming out it will give an idea of what strain and improvements are needed, in all areas.

    So let me get this straight, your idea to the dependence on foreign oil is to do nothing then right? If not, what do you suggest?

    It's called progress. IT happens. And I'd rather this hapened than us remaining a slave to foreign oil.
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    Re: GM puts Volt engine plant on hold to conserve cash

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Again you are assuming everyone in America is going to switch when the electric car comes out.
    I am assuming that everyone might slowly transition over to an electric car just like everyone slowly transitioned over from regular gas to unleaded.


    That simply is a false assumption. Do you think if a new Corvette model came out everyone would be driving the corvette?
    Those are not comparable, people may need personal transportation to get to work,no one however needs a corvette,which is why most people do not own a corvette. If everyone is suckered into slowly transitioning to electric vehicles, everyone will need electricity to power your car.


    So let me get this straight, your idea to the dependence on foreign oil is to do nothing then right? If not, what do you suggest?
    My idea of dependence from foreign oil is to tell all the ****ed up eco-retards to go **** themselves in the ass and let the oil companies drill off shore and ANWR,explore other oil technologies and to build more refineries.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: GM puts Volt engine plant on hold to conserve cash

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    . . . Which is better to research?
    Coal.

    My position is that if the power companies can produce such a vastly increased amount of energy, then they should be lowering our bills.


    I don't think most people grasp how much energy would have to go into charging an electric car. If they think that their drier runs up the ole' electric meter, just wait 'til they get a bill after a month of charging up the car.

    I really suspect that the whole project is a fancy swindle.
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    Re: GM puts Volt engine plant on hold to conserve cash

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I am assuming that everyone might slowly transition over to an electric car just like everyone slowly transitioned over from regular gas to unleaded.
    You hit the nail on the head SLOWLY. It will give an idea of what the electric grid in your area can handle and what it can't.

    There are some power companies that have made their analysis know that they could handle a significant increase already, while others have an idea of what they need to expand. That is a good thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Those are not comparable, people may need personal transportation to get to work,no one however needs a corvette,which is why most people do not own a corvette. If everyone is suckered into slowly transitioning to electric vehicles, everyone will need electricity to power your car.
    And you assume EVERYONE is going to go to an electric hybrid/electric car over a good mileage gas vehicle. That is false. Many won't until they see what it can do.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    My idea of dependence from foreign oil is to tell all the ****ed up eco-retards to go **** themselves in the ass and let the oil companies drill off shore and ANWR,explore other oil technologies and to build more refineries.
    Um we will not be able to drill at a sustainable amount domestically what can be obtained foreign. We simply don't have that much oil, so an alternative to oil is needed.

    The sooner we start going away from oil when we can the better. That's not to say we can't get away from oil complete, but the less and less we use the more we can rely on domestically what we really do need.

    Again, what I hear from you is the fairy tail that we can use the same amount of oil domestically as we use foreign and that simple is not true nor is it a solution to a fossil fuel that will eventually deplete itself.

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    Re: GM puts Volt engine plant on hold to conserve cash

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Coal.

    My position os that if the power companies can produce such a vastly increased amount of energy, then they should be lowering out bills.


    I don't think most people grasp how much energy would have to go into charging an electric car. If they think that their drier run up the ole' electric meter, just wait 'til they get a bill after a month of charging up the car.

    I really suspect that the whole project is a fancy swindle.
    Coal is a staple that will get us through a transition. Tell me is coal everlasting? Will we never run out of coal? other methods need to be thought of NOW, so in the future they can be implemented.

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    Re: GM puts Volt engine plant on hold to conserve cash

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    It's not that different. Battery packs are only warranted for 80,000 miles and cost around $2,300. to replace.


    And that is not all, regular batteries are assumed to last 50,000 miles but you might need to replaced them before, because the durability of their performance also depends of the use of them.

    Besides, the money saved in gasoline is spent buying new sets of batteries for the hybrid cars, this is the common trick made by merchants, you end paying the same or more when you buy the new hybrid cars. Oh, and add the labor cost.

    Gasoline cars rule.

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    Re: GM puts Volt engine plant on hold to conserve cash

    Quote Originally Posted by conquer View Post
    And that is not all, regular batteries are assumed to last 50,000 miles but you might need to replaced them before, because the durability of their performance also depends of the use of them.
    Says who? There are guarantees longer than what you are saying.

    Quote Originally Posted by conquer View Post
    Besides, the money saved in gasoline is spent buying new sets of batteries for the hybrid cars, this is the common trick made by merchants, you end paying the same or more when you buy the new hybrid cars. Oh, and add the labor cost.
    And like has been shown batteries last over 10 years for the car usage ones.

    Quote Originally Posted by conquer View Post
    Gasoline cars rule.

    Yep with foreign oil. Yeehaw

    OPEC rules then. Tell us, when OPEC decided gas was roth about $4.25 per gallon what was our DOMESTIC gas charging?
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