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    Re: UK work time opt-out under threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Slainte View Post
    I'm pretty sure French GDP Per Capita per hour worked is higher than the US's. Americans work more hours, but the French accomplish more per hour, the reason US GDP is higher is down to quantity of work, not quality. It actually begs an interesting question as to what would happen if the French did work a similar number of hours, would France become a richer country than the US? Of course if they did GDP per hour may decline...

    Secondly, I'd love to see a study which says social mobility in the US is higher than it is in France! I can't find a source saying either online just now, but I'm almost 100% sure France has significantly higher social mobility. In fact I think it was discussed on DP a while ago, I'll look for the thread.
    If this were the case why do large French company's need to be subsidized by the government?

    France was ranked 21 in 2004, the US was number 2.

    World Facts and Figures - GDP per capita by country
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    Re: UK work time opt-out under threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Yep, I was right. These are the exact same criticisms that were used against the 8 hour work day.

    Pitiful.
    There is a big difference between companies forcing people to work and people volunteering to work as much as they wish to.
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    Re: UK work time opt-out under threat

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    As much as this sounds like a redneck, neocon, Republican cliche insult for liberals: Max really does hate freedom. He would be much happier with the EU telling him how to live every facet of his life.
    I HAVE FREEDOM, I LOVE FREEDOM.. WHY DO YOU SAY I DONT? DID I EVER SAY I DIDNT?

    Nope, but I am HAPPY about the PROTECTIOn the EU gives rather than the LACK of protection and brainwashing the US government CLEARLY gives you..

    It angers me to see the way you do "intellectual debate"..

    geee..

    I cant explain it because its too cryptic the way Americans debate..

    1 Someone says something
    2 American claims what that someone has said and rephrase it to fit his own image
    3 American pounds on his own wrong quotation of that someone
    4 Someone proves him wrong
    5 American goes into national pride mode and picks apart 1 of 50 facts
    6 American then starts debating that 1 fact instead of original context
    7 The Someone is dragged into another debate and another and another until the American is eventually right about something
    8 The someone tries to get back to the point, the broader picture, the context of everything
    9 American is tunnel visioned into what he sees as him winning the debate because he was right about something
    10 American starts ranting on about loads of irrelevant things and avoids the original context and the broader debate
    11 The someone desperately tries to get back on track and debate in an intellectual fashion
    12 The American high on himself starts the personal attacks
    13 The someone who is right about what he is saying just gives up trying to prove anything to the American because he will not listen to what he is saying.


    Conclusion.. There is a major issue with how you people debate on this forum. You put misquoted opinions into people. You rephrase things to fit you vision of things, go on with personal attacks and stays away from looking at the facts. You never admit that someone else is right even when they clearly are..

    It just pisses me off enormously. Dont be emotional, be intellectual!

    This is not really about you RightOfCenter, because you usually don't do these things, but you doing it was the creaming of the angry cake, I'm rather disappointed with you, dont follow in the footsteps of idiots, use your brain man.
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    Re: UK work time opt-out under threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And there's the rub. People all wanted the same stuff. Some guys initially worked their assess of to get it, and then everyone wanted it; but it seems not by methods of also working their asses off to get it. I also don't see why you have to keep up with everyone else. Live as you wish, and if you want more you're gonna have to work with it. Me? I'm fine with an apartment for now so long as I can play video games and hang out with friends. And I can do all that with my "slavish" hours.
    Why do you assume things you know NOTHING about? I AM HAPPY about 30 hours, I MANAGE DAMN fine with it.. Are you not sick of the way you assume people think?
    Its about me, if you started readin some of my posts you would possibly understand what I am saying, but yoo are unfocused and clearly just want to come up with another personal attack.. I am making more than average people even with a 30 hour week, thats not the issue like ive said to you 100 times now.. But what about Norway? you didnt understand the example, everyone have to work overtime in order to afford to live even a simple life..

    It angers me the ability of people here to ignore what is actually said and continue their prejudice rant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Easy, they don't accomplish in a week what we do here. They have a very socialist government and their jobs are all pretty well government ensured. It also prohibits mobility in the work place and displaces younger generations. In America, things are guaranteed. You can keep your job so long as you can do a better job than the guy next to you. So we're built for productivity and work, wherein we work for what we earn and don't take much in the form of government handout or security past safety regulation. It means you have to work hard, but also makes things very mobile. Rich can become poor, poor can become rich; but you can't maintain a status quo by sitting on your ass. You have to put in energy.
    Of course they dont, but you dont accomplish in an hour what they do.. Its like you say in France also, everyone there can work better than the next man and he will keep his job, but they ALSO have social security which you dont.. They have in fact everything that you have and a ton of extra good stuff as well.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Not really, we're just overall not comfortable with socialism or government handouts. We like very much independence and being able to reap the benefits of our own labor. But we work hard and we play hard.
    Thats why your veterans sleep on the streets..
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    Re: UK work time opt-out under threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    If this were the case why do large French company's need to be subsidized by the government?

    France was ranked 21 in 2004, the US was number 2.

    World Facts and Figures - GDP per capita by country
    Nice to see the 2003 figures again.. Does it make you feel better, the times America was second?
    Take a look at the list for 2007...

    List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The US is 12th in IMF and 10th in CIA list.. France is just a few places behind in both, and they also have a social system, free health care and all those things.
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    Re: UK work time opt-out under threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Nice to see the 2003 figures again.. Does it make you feel better, the times America was second?
    Take a look at the list for 2007...

    List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The US is 12th in IMF and 10th in CIA list.. France is just a few places behind in both, and they also have a social system, free health care and all those things.
    A few places would be 3.

    France 18, 14 and 21. US 12, 10 and 12.

    6, 4 and 9 places is not a few.

    They have a social system? What is that?

    Free health care and all those things? What are "all those things?"

    This still does not explain why they need to subsidize on a large scale.
    Last edited by Black Dog; 12-20-08 at 10:10 AM.

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    Re: UK work time opt-out under threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    A few places would be 3.

    France 18, 14 and 21. US 12, 10 and 12.

    6, 4 and 9 places is not a few.

    They have a social system? What is that?

    Free health care and all those things? What are "all those things?"

    This still does not explain why they need to subsidize on a large scale.
    Its a few when the difference in GDP is so small.. A few percentage points only.

    All those things is the French social system that for example pays for child sitting and cleaning of your house if you have children. It also actually pays you money for each child(when born and each month) so that you don't get strained with cash, it also pays for childcare, kindergarten, school. This is just to mention a few of thousands of benefits the French enjoy and still they can affordto subsidize some companies, and still they can afford to not use all their time for work, and still they have almost the same GDP as the US(annually), and as a result of all these things they have a much higher hourly GDP than any western nation(including other European nations with similar but not as good social systems as the French)..
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    Re: UK work time opt-out under threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    If this were the case why do large French company's need to be subsidized by the government?


    What does it have to do with anything?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    France was ranked 21 in 2004, the US was number 2.

    World Facts and Figures - GDP per capita by country
    This really shows how completely you ignored everything I wrote...

    Quote Originally Posted by My First Post
    I'm pretty sure French GDP Per Capita per hour worked is higher than the US's. Americans work more hours, but the French accomplish more per hour, the reason US GDP is higher is down to quantity of work, not quality. It actually begs an interesting question as to what would happen if the French did work a similar number of hours, would France become a richer country than the US?
    NationMaster - Encyclopedia: List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita per hour

    France = 3, USA = 4
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    Re: UK work time opt-out under threat

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    There is a big difference between companies forcing people to work and people volunteering to work as much as they wish to.
    Exactly, this is what the law tries to address, but force in the meaning of "nonvolunteer force".
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    Re: UK work time opt-out under threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Slainte View Post


    What does it have to do with anything?



    This really shows how completely you ignored everything I wrote...

    This is exactly why I have learned to ignore that guy, you will be better of doing the same..
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