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    Re: UK work time opt-out under threat

    Wow. That law would create havoc here during major snowstorms and other natural emergencies when utility, public works, medical and law enforcement work around the clock.

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    Re: UK work time opt-out under threat

    Quote Originally Posted by mikhail View Post
    Good thing.As long as for yourself the hours arent limited.
    So....as long as the law isn't applied to anybody it's a good thing? I may have misunderstood your post

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    Re: UK work time opt-out under threat

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    The problem is they need a better job...or a better union...or the government to stop taking so much of their money.
    Government has to take all of their money. No other way to pay for socialized healthcare.

    This thread is confusing. Maybe the BBC and the original poster just aren't explaining this correctly. I mean I can understand if they are against MANDATORY overtime which some places have like Police or some industries. But a regulation against voluntary overtime?

    There's got to be something I'm missing. Yeah you miss out at being with the family but not working doesn't solve any economic problem. If someone wants or needs more money and the company is willing to allow it then I don't see why not. If "keeping up" means attempting to live beyond your means then thats a whole different thing all together.

    Right now I'm pretty much scratching my head.
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    Re: UK work time opt-out under threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    As I said in the other thread. Intelligent people can add up how much time they spend on certain activities and make a proper schedule. I can't believe there are really people out there so unwilling/unable to put in an honest days work that they think there government should basically support them. Ridiculous.
    Whats dishonest about the work I do? Nothing, I just work less, no crime that. Whats dishonest about working less? Nothing. Whats dishonest about having a life other than just work? Nothing..

    I dont need a schedule, lol.. You need schedules? Thats how your life is, you need a schedule to manage the little private time you have?
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    Re: UK work time opt-out under threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Keorythe View Post
    Government has to take all of their money. No other way to pay for socialized healthcare.

    This thread is confusing. Maybe the BBC and the original poster just aren't explaining this correctly. I mean I can understand if they are against MANDATORY overtime which some places have like Police or some industries. But a regulation against voluntary overtime?

    There's got to be something I'm missing. Yeah you miss out at being with the family but not working doesn't solve any economic problem. If someone wants or needs more money and the company is willing to allow it then I don't see why not. If "keeping up" means attempting to live beyond your means then thats a whole different thing all together.

    Right now I'm pretty much scratching my head.

    No, its regulation of any work time over 48 hours.. A normal contract is say 40 hours, the 8 hours between 40 and 48 is normal overtime which is pretty easy to get, over 48 hours will get tough regulation so that people aren't enslaved by their jobs unless they absolutely need to and want to.
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    Re: UK work time opt-out under threat

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Wow. That law would create havoc here during major snowstorms and other natural emergencies when utility, public works, medical and law enforcement work around the clock.
    It applies to REGULAR contract work.. Not those type of jobs.
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    Re: UK work time opt-out under threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Keorythe View Post
    Government has to take all of their money. No other way to pay for socialized healthcare.
    That's not how our National Health Service is paid for...

    It's paid through taxes on cigerettes & alcohol, duties on oil and other products. We do pay contributions through National Insurance but it's pretty miniscule compared to the taxes and duties collected elsewhere. Sorry if that ruined your point.

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    Re: UK work time opt-out under threat

    Aren't the arguments people are using against this the exact same arguments against the 12- and 8-hour work week?

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    Re: UK work time opt-out under threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Whats dishonest about the work I do? Nothing, I just work less, no crime that. Whats dishonest about working less? Nothing. Whats dishonest about having a life other than just work? Nothing..

    I dont need a schedule, lol.. You need schedules? Thats how your life is, you need a schedule to manage the little private time you have?
    It's not that working less itself is dishonest, it's what you demand for working less. You feel entitled to all the luxuries of life without believing you should put in the effort to achieve them. That's dishonest. You refuse to live by the sweat of your brow, instead believing that the collective should support everyone through the use of socialist government. You want the big house, the energy, the car, the internet, the TV, ect. but believe that it's unreasonable to have to put in work to get it. It's inconceivable in this country that laziness is rewarded. You're free to be lazy here, but you have to reap the consequences for doing so.

    And of course I have schedules...it's called being productive! I like my work, I spend tons and tons of time doing it. Science is great, and I'll always spend tons of time doing it, research is great and I'll always spend tons of time doing it. I like hanging out with my friends, I like playing video games, I like riding my motorcycle, etc. All these things have times associated with them, I plan it out. So I can still get the work done I need to and use my spare time to the utmost efficiency. Sure, if I could sleep 10 hours a day, do 5 hours worth of "work" and f off for the other 9 hours, I wouldn't have to make a plan. But I wouldn't accomplish anything either; and there's nothing good about being a lazy jerk who never accomplishes anything. Finishing is fun, it's something to take pride in. Putting your all into a project and coming out on the other side with a finished product...there's nothing like it.

    If everyone where like you, you understand that the human race would not have progressed as far as it has, right? If people only put in 5 hours of half assed work, we wouldn't have all the stuff we have now. We wouldn't have the knowledge or the technology or the ability to support lazy people who don't want to put in an honest days work. Your life style is completely counter to the whole of human evolution. You waste that brain nature designed, you waste the potential that humans have. Waste of space is what I'd call it. You should be damned well thankful that there are others the opposite of you that have made the vaccines and electronics and advancements in all aspects of science which has further driven technology to lead to a better, more comfortable life style for you. Thank your lucky stars we ain't all so lazy. You couldn't be as lazy as you are currently without us industrious folk.

    I think living a life without accomplishment would be boring and unsatisfying.
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    Re: UK work time opt-out under threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Aren't the arguments people are using against this the exact same arguments against the 12- and 8-hour work week?
    Who the hell only works 12 or 8 hours a week? If you mean work day, I put in about 12 every day. More if you count the reading and math I do at home. This argument doesn't follow all the way down. If this is too much so we need less...it can't be taken to the limit which is 0 work. So at some point we're going to have to accept that if we want to get anything done, someone's gonna have to do some work. Once you reduce the work week too much, you'll stop being able to get things done. Most places that are hourly in the US is 40 hour work week and above that is overtime. Salary is a different thing. People who get paid salary, even though the salary tends to be high, tend to put in a lot of work. It's been worked out on that one, you couldn't afford to pay some of these people hourly. Like scientists, give them 90K+ a year cause that's a steal. If you paid them for their actual time spent doing their job...you'd be in for a hell of a lot more money than that.
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