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    Re: UK work time opt-out under threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    No, when everyone have to work overtime because no one can afford not to, then there is obviously a problem..
    And you think the solution is to outlaw overtime?

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    Re: UK work time opt-out under threat

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    The problem is they need a better job...or a better union...or the government to stop taking so much of their money.
    Damned straight. People can negotiate their own contracts, and through proper use of collective arbitration (the unions) pay and such can be fixed at sustainable levels. Plus if you slash taxes and wasteful government spending, then the people can save even more of their money. It sounds like there is a huge economic bubble going on there where prices soar to unsustainable levels. Usually caused by some form of government interference, and in the socialist Europe, I can see that happening quite readily. What do all the scientists do? I bet dollars to donuts they pay no mind to these restrictions. Scientists are usually paid salary, and we put in 48 hours in under 4 days if you tally it all up. Count the fact that we work pretty much 7 days a week; and we put in tons of hours. That ain't gonna stop, and no one can afford to pay scientists "overtime" (heheh, like we would get such a thing anyway).

    Free market would have taken care of this along with responsible government. Not limiting how much a person can work through government law...that's stupid.
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    Re: UK work time opt-out under threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Damned straight. People can negotiate their own contracts, and through proper use of collective arbitration (the unions) pay and such can be fixed at sustainable levels. Plus if you slash taxes and wasteful government spending, then the people can save even more of their money. It sounds like there is a huge economic bubble going on there where prices soar to unsustainable levels. Usually caused by some form of government interference, and in the socialist Europe, I can see that happening quite readily. What do all the scientists do? I bet dollars to donuts they pay no mind to these restrictions. Scientists are usually paid salary, and we put in 48 hours in under 4 days if you tally it all up. Count the fact that we work pretty much 7 days a week; and we put in tons of hours. That ain't gonna stop, and no one can afford to pay scientists "overtime" (heheh, like we would get such a thing anyway).

    Free market would have taken care of this along with responsible government. Not limiting how much a person can work through government law...that's stupid.
    Doctors are one group that is also highly effected by this law. One would think that having free health care would require more doctors and more hours, but apparently they are also overworked.
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    Re: UK work time opt-out under threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    And you think the solution is to outlaw overtime?
    Thats not the talk here. Overtime is allowed, but regular contract work is only allowed to work 48 hours, if they want more they must also take the complication to register, apply, get permission and what not to work more than 48 hours.
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    Re: UK work time opt-out under threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Thats not the talk here. Overtime is allowed, but regular contract work is only allowed to work 48 hours, if they want more they must also take the complication to register, apply, get permission and what not to work more than 48 hours.
    They have to apply to the government to work more than 48 hours? You don't think that this should be up to the workers and employers involved?
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    Re: UK work time opt-out under threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Thats not the talk here. Overtime is allowed, but regular contract work is only allowed to work 48 hours, if they want more they must also take the complication to register, apply, get permission and what not to work more than 48 hours.
    Then what is the impact of this bill, except to make it harder for people to voluntarily work overtime?

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    Re: UK work time opt-out under threat

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    They have to apply to the government to work more than 48 hours? You don't think that this should be up to the workers and employers involved?
    No. I think there should be incredibly tight procedures and regulations for being allowed to work such slavish hours.
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    Re: UK work time opt-out under threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    Then what is the impact of this bill, except to make it harder for people to voluntarily work overtime?
    The regulation is about standard contract work.. It will tighten the rules and make new regulation for ANY work over 48 hours. Most contracts in Europe are 37.5 or 40 hours per week, any time over that is considered overtime, over 48 hours is something else alltogether.
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    Re: UK work time opt-out under threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    No. I think there should be incredibly tight procedures and regulations for being allowed to work such slavish hours.
    What is so slavish about working for a friggin living?

    My average work week is usually between 45-60 hours. But I love my work. It doesn't even feel like work to me.

    It's also one of those professions that require that work be done when it is necessary or the whole company shuts down. It's just a fact of life that there is work and it must be done in an industrious society. I also would not be happy witht he idea of having to hire someone to pass the buck to when I hit my government approved work limit unless go get licenses to what?...do my friggin job?

    I believe some countries need to develop a sense of pride in their work instead of begging their governments to dream up schemes to get them out of it.

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    Re: UK work time opt-out under threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    No. I think there should be incredibly tight procedures and regulations for being allowed to work such slavish hours.
    Well, forget all about individual privacy and right to contract huh?

    That's messed up man. For a guy who claims to hate politicians you sure seem intent on letting them make choices for you.
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