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    Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody' .

    BBC NEWS | Middle East | Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'

    Muntadar al-Zaidi has allegedly suffered a broken arm, broken ribs and internal bleeding, his older brother, Dargham, told the BBC....

    ...Mr Zaidi threw his shoes at Mr Bush at a news conference, calling him "a dog".

    ....A spokesperson for the Iraqi military says the journalist is in good health and said the allegations were untrue.



    If the allegations are true it is distressing and is quite an indication of the way "democracy" and "human rights" have been brought to Iraq.
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    Re: Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody' .

    Having a journalist attacking a visiting Head of State, no matter how unpopular, is surely a national embarrassment. If someone in this country did that to the visting Head of State of a different country, I'd say they'd face a very high probability of being beaten while in custody, too.

    That said... I also hope that the allegations are untrue, and that the Iraqi police are doing a better job of protecting their prisoners.

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    Re: Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody' .

    I heard this was a false claim.
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    Re: Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody' .

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Having a journalist attacking a visiting Head of State, no matter how unpopular, is surely a national embarrassment. If someone in this country did that to the visting Head of State of a different country, I'd say they'd face a very high probability of being beaten while in custody, too.
    So what? It's totally unacceptable that a prisoner gets beaten in custody, especially if he hasn't killed/raped anyone.

    Furthermore, what he did was not a "real" attack, it was just symbolic, like Noel Godin who throws pie on famous people who deserve it

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    If you think this guy would get beaten in custody if he was in the USA, then you should not be very proud...

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I heard this was a false claim.
    where?

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    Re: Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody' .

    Saw it on CNN last night.


    Also the brother who is making the claims keeps changing his story. now its a rifle butt to the head.
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    Re: Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody' .

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    So what? It's totally unacceptable that a prisoner gets beaten in custody, especially if he hasn't killed/raped anyone.
    Might be totally unacceptable-- I happen to agree with you-- but I'm willing to bet that there ain't a country on the planet where it isn't a common occurrence, especially when the prisoner has done something either particularly heinous or particularly embarrassing for the local authorities.

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Furthermore, what he did was not a "real" attack, it was just symbolic, like Noel Godin who throws pie on famous people who deserve it
    Pretty sure he'd have gotten beaten for throwing a pie, too. Assuming he'd been allowed to smuggle a pie into the press conference.

    One simply does not throw things at Heads of State. It is grossly undignified, and a completely pointless and ineffectual means of registering one's grievances.

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    Re: Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody' .

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    -- Also the brother who is making the claims keeps changing his story --
    There are separate claims that Muntazer al-Zaidi was injured during the arrest and that is also where one claim of the rifle butt to the head comes from.

    Another brother (Muntadar al-Zaidi) said on Al-Baghdadia television, "Zaid’s employer, that he had spoken by telephone with his brother and that he told him “thank God, I am in good health”. “I felt from his voice that he is good health,” Maitham al-Zaidi said."

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    Re: Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody' .

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    There are separate claims that Muntazer al-Zaidi was injured during the arrest and that is also where one claim of the rifle butt to the head comes from.

    Another brother (Muntadar al-Zaidi) said on Al-Baghdadia television, "Zaid’s employer, that he had spoken by telephone with his brother and that he told him “thank God, I am in good health”. “I felt from his voice that he is good health,” Maitham al-Zaidi said."


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    Re: Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody' .

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    One simply does not throw things at Heads of State. It is grossly undignified, and a completely pointless and ineffectual means of registering one's grievances.
    Depends who it is. What about China's head of state? Or North Korea? George Bush isn't some visting head of state will little links to the country.

    I don't think the action was helpful or useful but I also don't condemn it. Apparently this guy was kidnapped twice by insurgents, that would piss me off -- between being very thankful I was still alive.

    If he'd done it to Blair I think I would have bought him a beer, non-alcoholic of course.
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    Re: Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody' .

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Depends who it is. What about China's head of state? Or North Korea? George Bush isn't some visting head of state will little links to the country.
    Same standard. One does not throw things at visiting Heads of State; that is not how civilized people air their grievances, and that sort of behavior creates international incidents-- that can lead to repercussions for your country.

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