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Montenegro files EU membership application

Maximus Zeebra said:
Wow, its fine to see where the roots of the British people lay, in hatred and the wanting of failure of others, and in the end as a result themselves.
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You mean in democracy, wanting to govern ourselves and an end to the centralised tyranny of the EU?

I don't care what the rest of Europe does but I sure as hell want England out of the menace to liberty and prosperity that is the EU.
 
Wessexman said:
Oh behalf of about two thirds of the British people, I bloody well hope so.
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Personally I have given up all hopes about the UK, people there live in backward country and use no sense of logic, there just isn't any way of talking to the Brits anymore, thats why I focus on the US in which there is still hope.

Its polite of me to tell you that you are blinded by your media and the lack of a self acquired opinion.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Personally I have given up all hopes about the UK, people there live in backward country and use no sense of logic, there just isn't any way of talking to the Brits anymore, thats why I focus on the US in which there is still hope.

Its polite of me to tell you that you are blinded by your media and the lack of a self acquired opinion.
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And I've given up on Europhiles who almost always are blind followers of centralised tyranny and enemies of all liberty who never cease to blame their own vast failings and vices on a hostile media.

I must say though well done on the insults, that is sure to make us want to continue in your despotic organisation.
 
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Wessexman said:
And I've given up on Europhiles who almost always are blind followers of centralised tyranny and enemies of all liberty who never cease to blame their own vast failings and vices on a hostile media.
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Come on. You are so blind about your own country and government. I am not Europhile, but looking at my countries government and all the other countries governments in Europe and the European government and the governments across the world, the European government is by far the most productive and progressive government in the world.

I hate the government of my country and your country, they are so dumb and have done so many dumb thing, they focus on completely wrong issues and are completely blind to any future whatsoever, just clinging on to a failed past as best they can, and they cant even do that, they are so damn stupid that,,, .... :(
 
Wessexman said:
And I've given up on Europhiles who almost always are blind followers of centralised tyranny and enemies of all liberty who never cease to blame their own vast failings and vices on a hostile media.

I must say though well done on the insults, that is sure to make us want to continue in your despotic organisation.
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Whats tyrannically about the EU?

How is the EU an enemy of liberty?

Failures? What failures? The ones YOUR government has done and blamed on the EU through their media propaganda to keep in power and look good?
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Come on. You are so blind about your own country and government. I am not Europhile, but looking at my countries government and all the other countries governments in Europe and the European government and the governments across the world, the European government is by far the most productive and progressive government in the world.
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Of course you are a europhile, you have the flag of your despotic organisation as your avatar. The EU is progressive only in centralisation and tyranny.

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I hate the government of my country and your country, they are so dumb and have done so many dumb thing, they focus on completely wrong issues and are completely blind to any future whatsoever, just clinging on to a failed past as best they can, and they cant even do that, they are so damn stupid that,,, .... :(
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And removing more powers to a centralised level that could never been democratic or really accountable is going to help?
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Whats tyrannically about the EU?

How is the EU an enemy of liberty?
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It is undemocratic, it overrides sovereign, democratic gov'ts, it has a lot of unaccountable power, it is very centralised and bureaucratic and never could be democratic or properly accountable due to its size.
 
Wessexman said:
Of course you are a europhile, you have the flag of your despotic organisation as your avatar. The EU is progressive only in centralisation and tyranny.


And removing more powers to a centralised level that could never been democratic or really accountable is going to help?
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You guys never ever explain anything or use any sense of logic.You dont see how corrupt your OWN government actually is and how good they are at concealing the truth and blaming all failures on the EU and taking all credits of what the EU is doing good on their own cape.

I have the flag of the EU because I am proud of the elitist government we have and emberresed about all the mediocre morons we have in national politics and their sleezy methods.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
You guys never ever explain anything or use any sense of logic.You dont see how corrupt your OWN government actually is and how good they are at concealing the truth and blaming all failures on the EU and taking all credits of what the EU is doing good on their own cape.

I have the flag of the EU because I am proud of the elitist government we have and emberresed about all the mediocre morons we have in national politics and their sleezy methods.
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I think I've used more sense or logic than you. You haven't mentioned the corruption of my gov't.

The EU will have over 500 million people, that could never be democratic because the individual's voice would be completely lost in the size. It would have to have a lot of centralisation and bureaucracy which combinded with the lack of popular voice and oversight will create a lot of unaccountable power in the centre and unaccountable power is usually abused.

My gov't is far from perfect but it beats your despostic organisation.
 
Wessexman said:
It is undemocratic, it overrides sovereign, democratic gov'ts, it has a lot of unaccountable power, it is very centralised and bureaucratic and never could be democratic or properly accountable due to its size.
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:doh


Bla bla, repeating of the same argument is so typical for you anti-Europeans. How is it undemocratic when its actually the most democratic? Own parliament, 27 national parliaments, only change things which is accepted by all elected leaders and governments of ALL the nations in it, not even majority voting but complete agreement acceptation of treaties for example, which is then approved in all parliaments AND the European parliaments. How is that not democratic, its a damn web of democratic democracies of democratic collection democracy. :lol:

Personally I am no fan of current democracy, especially the pathetic versions we have in our own nations. use your vote to change nothing and see the same sleazy liars get elected to something they have no idea about. At least its the cream of those people who are in the EU government, rooting out all the worst of the worst which is left in national governments.


The whole point is to override "soverign" governments, but all those governments have agreed on the areas where its ok, its far more accountable and transparent than the vast mess of national governments. Id say that despite the tiny size of the EU it gets more done than any of the fat big national governments who have 1000 times more bureaucrats and money expenditures.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
No it wasn't, he misquoted me on purpose.
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Please point out how I misquoted you?

I pointed out how absured your statement was, and then you acted like a baby. It is really simple. So saying I miss quoted you is untrue, I in no way misquoted you.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
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Bla bla, repeating of the same argument is so typical for you anti-Europeans. How is it undemocratic when its actually the most democratic? Own parliament, 27 national parliaments, only change things which is accepted by all elected leaders and governments of ALL the nations in it, not even majority voting but complete agreement acceptation of treaties for example, which is then approved in all parliaments AND the European parliaments. How is that not democratic, its a damn web of democratic democracies of democratic collection democracy. :lol:
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It is undemocratic because elections aren't all that democracy is. The EU will too large for the individual to have any voice or oversight, he will be lost among a mass of 500 million and any real demcracy will never exist there. It is a struggle in England now, it would be impossible in the EU.

Personally I am no fan of current democracy, especially the pathetic versions we have in our own nations. use your vote to change nothing and see the same sleazy liars get elected to something they have no idea about. At least its the cream of those people who are in the EU government, rooting out all the worst of the worst which is left in national governments.
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My national gov't is bad, the EU is worse.

The whole point is to override "soverign" governments, but all those governments have agreed on the areas where its ok, its far more accountable and transparent than the vast mess of national governments. Id say that despite the tiny size of the EU it gets more done than any of the fat big national governments who have 1000 times more bureaucrats and money expenditures.
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Aside from the fact that many of the elites who rule EU countries want the EU and don't care what the people think, look at New Labour and the British people, the EU blackmails the gov'ts. You can't refuse one part of a lot of what they force on us without endangering the rest and our elitist, wankerish gov'ts don't want that.
 
Wessexman said:
I think I've used more sense or logic than you. You haven't mentioned the corruption of my gov't.
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Everything about it, its so rotten that people are used to the rot of it. All governments are rotten, the EU included, but its the least rotten government I know of.

Wessexman said:
The EU will have over 500 million people, that could never be democratic because the individual's voice would be completely lost in the size.
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This is the problem of democracy, do you think your 1 vote among 60 million in the UK matters? Not at all, democracy is just a cover for tyranny and excuse for tyranny to decay. I want another type of democracy in the EU, semi-democracy completely transparent elite style government.. How transparent is the UK democracy, its black like most the other ones, which are at best in any case dark gray.

Wessexman said:
It would have to have a lot of centralisation and bureaucracy which combinded with the lack of popular voice and oversight will create a lot of unaccountable power in the centre and unaccountable power is usually abused.

My gov't is far from perfect but it beats your despostic organisation.
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No no no, Europeans support regionalism, decentralization and centralization at the same time. Nations are rubbish.

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Maximus Zeebra said:
Everything about it, its so rotten that people are used to the rot of it. All governments are rotten, the EU included, but its the least rotten government I know of.
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Bollocks it is one of the worse.



This is the problem of democracy, do you think your 1 vote among 60 million in the UK matters? Not at all, democracy is just a cover for tyranny and excuse for tyranny to decay. I want another type of democracy in the EU, semi-democracy completely transparent elite style government.. How transparent is the UK democracy, its black like most the other ones, which are at best in any case dark gray.
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60 million is a lot better than 500 million and I want decentralism within Britain to bring greater democracy.

No no no, Europeans support regionalism, decentralization and centralization at the same time. Nations are rubbish.
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The EU is unneeded for British decentralisation and regionalism and it is hard to support centralisation, which is almost always tyrannical, and decentralisation at the same time.

Your nation may be rubbish but mine isn't.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
:dohBla bla, repeating of the same argument is so typical for you anti-Europeans.
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Not being in favor of the EU now makes you anti-European???? No one here has said anything about being anti-European except you.

Maximus Zeebra said:
How is it undemocratic when its actually the most democratic? Own parliament, 27 national parliaments, only change things which is accepted by all elected leaders and governments of ALL the nations in it, not even majority voting but complete agreement acceptation of treaties for example, which is then approved in all parliaments AND the European parliaments. How is that not democratic, its a damn web of democratic democracies of democratic collection democracy. :lol:
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It is truly a web, I agree. Exactly what Europe needed; more bureaucracy!

Maximus Zeebra said:
:personally I am no fan of current democracy, especially the pathetic versions we have in our own nations. use your vote to change nothing and see the same sleazy liars get elected to something they have no idea about. At least its the cream of those people who are in the EU government, rooting out all the worst of the worst which is left in national governments.
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Absolute power corrupts absolutely. This is a simple and proven truth.

Maximus Zeebra said:
:The whole point is to override "soverign" governments, but all those governments have agreed on the areas where its ok, its far more accountable and transparent than the vast mess of national governments. Id say that despite the tiny size of the EU it gets more done than any of the fat big national governments who have 1000 times more bureaucrats and money expenditures.
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Please post an example because to be honest according to the BBC and others it is the exact opposite.

BBC News | Sci/Tech | E-trade stuck at EU borders
EU Referendum: It is all <em>soooo</em> complicated
The failures of EU democracy|Nosemonkey’s EUtopia

I could go on and on.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Moderator: Is there any way to ignore people on this forum?



ps. I dont want to suffer high blood pressure and heart attacks :cool:
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Well that can happen when you make yourself look other than well informed.
 
Wessexman said:
It is undemocratic because elections aren't all that democracy is. The EU will too large for the individual to have any voice or oversight, he will be lost among a mass of 500 million and any real demcracy will never exist there. It is a struggle in England now, it would be impossible in the EU.
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Democracy is shameful everywhere.. Your vote means NOTHING.

Wessexman said:
My national gov't is bad, the EU is worse.
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I think you will change your mind if you objectively look at what YOUR government has done for you the last 50 years and what the EU has done for you in the same period with far less money and far less people.

Wessexman said:
Aside from the fact that many of the elites who rule EU countries want the EU and don't care what the people think, look at New Labour and the British people, the EU blackmails the gov'ts. You can't refuse one part of a lot of what they force on us without endangering the rest and our elitist, wankerish gov'ts don't want that.
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Is the majority always right? Most often the majority is wrong.. Labor is pathetic, look at the fraud of Gordon Brown, the highest leader of a democratic nation, not even elected by his people. Such shame.. Democracy is most places are becoming nothing but a parody.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Democracy is shameful everywhere.. Your vote means NOTHING.
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It worth more among 60 million than 500 million.



I think you will change your mind if you objectively look at what YOUR government has done for you the last 50 years and what the EU has done for you in the same period with far less money and far less people.
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The EU has cost Britain about 320 billion dollars net. I have looked objectively.

Is the majority always right? Most often the majority is wrong.. Labor is pathetic, look at the fraud of Gordon Brown, the highest leader of a democratic nation, not even elected by his people. Such shame.. Democracy is most places are becoming nothing but a parody.
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Your just rambling now.
 
I heard a rumor about someone completely misunderstanding and misquoting me again and then responding to my posts based on those misquotes and misunderstandings.. I guess that must be the guy I ignored.

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Maximus Zeebra said:
Is the majority always right? Most often the majority is wrong.. Labor is pathetic, look at the fraud of Gordon Brown, the highest leader of a democratic nation, not even elected by his people. Such shame.. Democracy is most places are becoming nothing but a parody.
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You are a walking talking pile of hypocrisy. The EU is truly a democracy at it's worst, and yet you claim it's the best thing since sliced bread! It is majority rule and the rights of the minority will be completely ignored because none will be left. This is why the US started as a republic, to protect the rights of the minority.

Democracy is nothing more than tyranny by the majority.

Welcome to the EU.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
I heard a rumor about someone completely misunderstanding and misquoting me again and then responding to my posts based on those misquotes and misunderstandings.. I guess that must be the guy I ignored.

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You just keep making yourself look stupid. Hell I don't mind.
 
Wessexman said:
It worth more among 60 million than 500 million.
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Yah, but not like 1 of 2 or 3 of 5.. 1 in 60 million is nothing, it makes things keep going like they always will in democracy, the same failures time after time and the tyrannical and simple minded majority who just want to be entertained by politician because they have no vision them self and absolutely no regard for a possibly brighter future. This is how Arnold was elected, next I guess is Britney Spears.

Wessexman said:
The EU has cost Britain about 320 billion dollars net. I have looked objectively.
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Since 1970, and the UK government costs you far more every year, and net, you can count the debts can you not? Please give me numbers of UK government debts, MASSIVE.. Then budget deficit.. At least the EU money went to something useful..

Every year your government costs you 500ish billion pounds. Now they have wasted several hundred billion pounds burned up in the financial crisis, and the UK is still the worst country, the country with the most dramatic collapse, second to Italy which collapse years ago. All you have left is debt. And that certainly aint because of some tiny EU spendings, but complete government mismanagement the last decades by the UK government.

Wessexman said:
Your just rambling now.
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Am I now?

Wessexman said:
Is the majority always right? Most often the majority is wrong.. Labor is pathetic, look at the fraud of Gordon Brown, the highest leader of a democratic nation, not even elected by his people. Such shame.. Democracy is most places are becoming nothing but a parody.
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Read it again and think about it.. Take a look at the society you live in man.. Your democracy is just clowning and tv faces.. Was Gordon Brown your prime minister elected by the people to be prime minister, the highest political position in the UK?
 
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