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    Re: Montenegro files EU membership application

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Bla bla, repeating of the same argument is so typical for you anti-Europeans.
    Not being in favor of the EU now makes you anti-European???? No one here has said anything about being anti-European except you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    How is it undemocratic when its actually the most democratic? Own parliament, 27 national parliaments, only change things which is accepted by all elected leaders and governments of ALL the nations in it, not even majority voting but complete agreement acceptation of treaties for example, which is then approved in all parliaments AND the European parliaments. How is that not democratic, its a damn web of democratic democracies of democratic collection democracy.
    It is truly a web, I agree. Exactly what Europe needed; more bureaucracy!

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    :Personally I am no fan of current democracy, especially the pathetic versions we have in our own nations. use your vote to change nothing and see the same sleazy liars get elected to something they have no idea about. At least its the cream of those people who are in the EU government, rooting out all the worst of the worst which is left in national governments.
    Absolute power corrupts absolutely. This is a simple and proven truth.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    :The whole point is to override "soverign" governments, but all those governments have agreed on the areas where its ok, its far more accountable and transparent than the vast mess of national governments. Id say that despite the tiny size of the EU it gets more done than any of the fat big national governments who have 1000 times more bureaucrats and money expenditures.
    Please post an example because to be honest according to the BBC and others it is the exact opposite.

    BBC News | Sci/Tech | E-trade stuck at EU borders
    EU Referendum: It is all <em>soooo</em> complicated
    The failures of EU democracy|Nosemonkey’s EUtopia

    I could go on and on.

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    Re: Montenegro files EU membership application

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Moderator: Is there any way to ignore people on this forum?
    I don't know. Your best bet would be to ask those who argued at length with you.
    "It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke

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    Re: Montenegro files EU membership application

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Moderator: Is there any way to ignore people on this forum?



    ps. I dont want to suffer high blood pressure and heart attacks
    Well that can happen when you make yourself look other than well informed.

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    Re: Montenegro files EU membership application

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    It is undemocratic because elections aren't all that democracy is. The EU will too large for the individual to have any voice or oversight, he will be lost among a mass of 500 million and any real demcracy will never exist there. It is a struggle in England now, it would be impossible in the EU.
    Democracy is shameful everywhere.. Your vote means NOTHING.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    My national gov't is bad, the EU is worse.
    I think you will change your mind if you objectively look at what YOUR government has done for you the last 50 years and what the EU has done for you in the same period with far less money and far less people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Aside from the fact that many of the elites who rule EU countries want the EU and don't care what the people think, look at New Labour and the British people, the EU blackmails the gov'ts. You can't refuse one part of a lot of what they force on us without endangering the rest and our elitist, wankerish gov'ts don't want that.
    Is the majority always right? Most often the majority is wrong.. Labor is pathetic, look at the fraud of Gordon Brown, the highest leader of a democratic nation, not even elected by his people. Such shame.. Democracy is most places are becoming nothing but a parody.
    Europe is illegally occupied by the US

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    Re: Montenegro files EU membership application

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Democracy is shameful everywhere.. Your vote means NOTHING.
    It worth more among 60 million than 500 million.



    I think you will change your mind if you objectively look at what YOUR government has done for you the last 50 years and what the EU has done for you in the same period with far less money and far less people.
    The EU has cost Britain about 320 billion dollars net. I have looked objectively.

    Is the majority always right? Most often the majority is wrong.. Labor is pathetic, look at the fraud of Gordon Brown, the highest leader of a democratic nation, not even elected by his people. Such shame.. Democracy is most places are becoming nothing but a parody.
    Your just rambling now.
    "It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke

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    Re: Montenegro files EU membership application

    I heard a rumor about someone completely misunderstanding and misquoting me again and then responding to my posts based on those misquotes and misunderstandings.. I guess that must be the guy I ignored.

    Europe is illegally occupied by the US

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    Re: Montenegro files EU membership application

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I don't know. Your best bet would be to ask those who argued at length with you.
    Thats a nice one..
    Europe is illegally occupied by the US

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    Re: Montenegro files EU membership application

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Is the majority always right? Most often the majority is wrong.. Labor is pathetic, look at the fraud of Gordon Brown, the highest leader of a democratic nation, not even elected by his people. Such shame.. Democracy is most places are becoming nothing but a parody.
    You are a walking talking pile of hypocrisy. The EU is truly a democracy at it's worst, and yet you claim it's the best thing since sliced bread! It is majority rule and the rights of the minority will be completely ignored because none will be left. This is why the US started as a republic, to protect the rights of the minority.

    Democracy is nothing more than tyranny by the majority.

    Welcome to the EU.

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    Re: Montenegro files EU membership application

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I heard a rumor about someone completely misunderstanding and misquoting me again and then responding to my posts based on those misquotes and misunderstandings.. I guess that must be the guy I ignored.

    You just keep making yourself look stupid. Hell I don't mind.

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    Re: Montenegro files EU membership application

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    It worth more among 60 million than 500 million.
    Yah, but not like 1 of 2 or 3 of 5.. 1 in 60 million is nothing, it makes things keep going like they always will in democracy, the same failures time after time and the tyrannical and simple minded majority who just want to be entertained by politician because they have no vision them self and absolutely no regard for a possibly brighter future. This is how Arnold was elected, next I guess is Britney Spears.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    The EU has cost Britain about 320 billion dollars net. I have looked objectively.
    Since 1970, and the UK government costs you far more every year, and net, you can count the debts can you not? Please give me numbers of UK government debts, MASSIVE.. Then budget deficit.. At least the EU money went to something useful..

    Every year your government costs you 500ish billion pounds. Now they have wasted several hundred billion pounds burned up in the financial crisis, and the UK is still the worst country, the country with the most dramatic collapse, second to Italy which collapse years ago. All you have left is debt. And that certainly aint because of some tiny EU spendings, but complete government mismanagement the last decades by the UK government.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Your just rambling now.
    Am I now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Is the majority always right? Most often the majority is wrong.. Labor is pathetic, look at the fraud of Gordon Brown, the highest leader of a democratic nation, not even elected by his people. Such shame.. Democracy is most places are becoming nothing but a parody.
    Read it again and think about it.. Take a look at the society you live in man.. Your democracy is just clowning and tv faces.. Was Gordon Brown your prime minister elected by the people to be prime minister, the highest political position in the UK?
    Europe is illegally occupied by the US

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