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    Re: Montenegro files EU membership application

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Come on. You are so blind about your own country and government. I am not Europhile, but looking at my countries government and all the other countries governments in Europe and the European government and the governments across the world, the European government is by far the most productive and progressive government in the world.
    Of course you are a europhile, you have the flag of your despotic organisation as your avatar. The EU is progressive only in centralisation and tyranny.

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    I hate the government of my country and your country, they are so dumb and have done so many dumb thing, they focus on completely wrong issues and are completely blind to any future whatsoever, just clinging on to a failed past as best they can, and they cant even do that, they are so damn stupid that,,, ....
    And removing more powers to a centralised level that could never been democratic or really accountable is going to help?
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    Re: Montenegro files EU membership application

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Whats tyrannically about the EU?

    How is the EU an enemy of liberty?
    It is undemocratic, it overrides sovereign, democratic gov'ts, it has a lot of unaccountable power, it is very centralised and bureaucratic and never could be democratic or properly accountable due to its size.
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    Re: Montenegro files EU membership application

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Of course you are a europhile, you have the flag of your despotic organisation as your avatar. The EU is progressive only in centralisation and tyranny.


    And removing more powers to a centralised level that could never been democratic or really accountable is going to help?
    You guys never ever explain anything or use any sense of logic.You dont see how corrupt your OWN government actually is and how good they are at concealing the truth and blaming all failures on the EU and taking all credits of what the EU is doing good on their own cape.

    I have the flag of the EU because I am proud of the elitist government we have and emberresed about all the mediocre morons we have in national politics and their sleezy methods.
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    Re: Montenegro files EU membership application

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    You guys never ever explain anything or use any sense of logic.You dont see how corrupt your OWN government actually is and how good they are at concealing the truth and blaming all failures on the EU and taking all credits of what the EU is doing good on their own cape.

    I have the flag of the EU because I am proud of the elitist government we have and emberresed about all the mediocre morons we have in national politics and their sleezy methods.
    I think I've used more sense or logic than you. You haven't mentioned the corruption of my gov't.

    The EU will have over 500 million people, that could never be democratic because the individual's voice would be completely lost in the size. It would have to have a lot of centralisation and bureaucracy which combinded with the lack of popular voice and oversight will create a lot of unaccountable power in the centre and unaccountable power is usually abused.

    My gov't is far from perfect but it beats your despostic organisation.
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    Re: Montenegro files EU membership application

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    It is undemocratic, it overrides sovereign, democratic gov'ts, it has a lot of unaccountable power, it is very centralised and bureaucratic and never could be democratic or properly accountable due to its size.



    Bla bla, repeating of the same argument is so typical for you anti-Europeans. How is it undemocratic when its actually the most democratic? Own parliament, 27 national parliaments, only change things which is accepted by all elected leaders and governments of ALL the nations in it, not even majority voting but complete agreement acceptation of treaties for example, which is then approved in all parliaments AND the European parliaments. How is that not democratic, its a damn web of democratic democracies of democratic collection democracy.

    Personally I am no fan of current democracy, especially the pathetic versions we have in our own nations. use your vote to change nothing and see the same sleazy liars get elected to something they have no idea about. At least its the cream of those people who are in the EU government, rooting out all the worst of the worst which is left in national governments.


    The whole point is to override "soverign" governments, but all those governments have agreed on the areas where its ok, its far more accountable and transparent than the vast mess of national governments. Id say that despite the tiny size of the EU it gets more done than any of the fat big national governments who have 1000 times more bureaucrats and money expenditures.
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    Re: Montenegro files EU membership application

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    No it wasn't, he misquoted me on purpose.
    Please point out how I misquoted you?

    I pointed out how absured your statement was, and then you acted like a baby. It is really simple. So saying I miss quoted you is untrue, I in no way misquoted you.

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    Re: Montenegro files EU membership application

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post



    Bla bla, repeating of the same argument is so typical for you anti-Europeans. How is it undemocratic when its actually the most democratic? Own parliament, 27 national parliaments, only change things which is accepted by all elected leaders and governments of ALL the nations in it, not even majority voting but complete agreement acceptation of treaties for example, which is then approved in all parliaments AND the European parliaments. How is that not democratic, its a damn web of democratic democracies of democratic collection democracy.
    It is undemocratic because elections aren't all that democracy is. The EU will too large for the individual to have any voice or oversight, he will be lost among a mass of 500 million and any real demcracy will never exist there. It is a struggle in England now, it would be impossible in the EU.

    Personally I am no fan of current democracy, especially the pathetic versions we have in our own nations. use your vote to change nothing and see the same sleazy liars get elected to something they have no idea about. At least its the cream of those people who are in the EU government, rooting out all the worst of the worst which is left in national governments.
    My national gov't is bad, the EU is worse.

    The whole point is to override "soverign" governments, but all those governments have agreed on the areas where its ok, its far more accountable and transparent than the vast mess of national governments. Id say that despite the tiny size of the EU it gets more done than any of the fat big national governments who have 1000 times more bureaucrats and money expenditures.
    Aside from the fact that many of the elites who rule EU countries want the EU and don't care what the people think, look at New Labour and the British people, the EU blackmails the gov'ts. You can't refuse one part of a lot of what they force on us without endangering the rest and our elitist, wankerish gov'ts don't want that.
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    Re: Montenegro files EU membership application

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I think I've used more sense or logic than you. You haven't mentioned the corruption of my gov't.
    Everything about it, its so rotten that people are used to the rot of it. All governments are rotten, the EU included, but its the least rotten government I know of.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    The EU will have over 500 million people, that could never be democratic because the individual's voice would be completely lost in the size.
    This is the problem of democracy, do you think your 1 vote among 60 million in the UK matters? Not at all, democracy is just a cover for tyranny and excuse for tyranny to decay. I want another type of democracy in the EU, semi-democracy completely transparent elite style government.. How transparent is the UK democracy, its black like most the other ones, which are at best in any case dark gray.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    It would have to have a lot of centralisation and bureaucracy which combinded with the lack of popular voice and oversight will create a lot of unaccountable power in the centre and unaccountable power is usually abused.

    My gov't is far from perfect but it beats your despostic organisation.
    No no no, Europeans support regionalism, decentralization and centralization at the same time. Nations are rubbish.

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    Re: Montenegro files EU membership application

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Everything about it, its so rotten that people are used to the rot of it. All governments are rotten, the EU included, but its the least rotten government I know of.
    Bollocks it is one of the worse.



    This is the problem of democracy, do you think your 1 vote among 60 million in the UK matters? Not at all, democracy is just a cover for tyranny and excuse for tyranny to decay. I want another type of democracy in the EU, semi-democracy completely transparent elite style government.. How transparent is the UK democracy, its black like most the other ones, which are at best in any case dark gray.
    60 million is a lot better than 500 million and I want decentralism within Britain to bring greater democracy.

    No no no, Europeans support regionalism, decentralization and centralization at the same time. Nations are rubbish.
    The EU is unneeded for British decentralisation and regionalism and it is hard to support centralisation, which is almost always tyrannical, and decentralisation at the same time.

    Your nation may be rubbish but mine isn't.
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    Re: Montenegro files EU membership application

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