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    Re: 45% Suspect Obama Team Involved in Blagojevich Scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Do you believe that proximity of images and names doesn't have an impact on a sizable population of people?
    Did I say that?

    No, no I did not.

    What I am saying is that saying something over and over again will cause a large group of the population to likely believe it, imho.

    This can be done numerous ways. What makes me laugh is that people only want to see one side of it.

    Yes, pictures of Iraq/Saddam and the 9-11 attacks/Bin Laden put next to each other could very easily make people simply believe that those things are connected.

    However, there's little evidence that "Bush" himself went to things like Fox, and even CNN and MSNBC, and said "put those pictures up".

    That doesn't change the fact that the administration did try to tie the two together, and in part they're not wrong for that. They did poorly however, or it was reported poorly, (perhaps intentionally on both parts) in presenting it ties together in the greater "war on terror" in general and not specifically "having a hand in 9/11".

    But yes, I do think that the way the media covered the early part of the Iraq War helped to make much of the American people think that Iraq had a hand in 9/11.

    Similarly, the way many on the left and the media continued to say that BUSH said that Saddam/Iraq had a hand in 9/11 ALSO helped make a large amount of the population believe that Bush himself said such...something that is utterly False.

    What's hillarious is that partisans like yourself love to trumpet out one example and then act completely oblivious to the other. Why? Because it doesn't fit your little agenda and script.

    This Blagojevich thing doesn't surprise me either. You have those on the Right saying it, and you have those on the Left denying it. This means that either way, the American public is hearing the accusation. The American public has always been skeptical, and rightly so, of its leadership. However thanks to the lefts constant drumbeat of "government is corrupt, government is corrupt, government is corrupt" of the past, even with it being Obama I think its natural that people generally think the worst. Its much the same as in the late 90's/early 00's with sex scandals due to republicans and the Clinton scandal.

    Ultimately, I think its a rather useless poll. It doesn't tell us Obama or his staff was involved. It doesn't tell us they weren't. It doesn't really tell us anything save for what the media's presentation of it likely has caused people to think. The funniest thing about it though is seeing some people either hailing this as gospel, and yet questioning the low Bush approval ratings...while at the same time some of the people that would quote Bush's approval ratings as gospel, questioning this.

    The sad fact is, imho, that the majority of the population is extremely intelligently dishonest and/or lazy, and choose to listen to things that help their viewpoint/agenda and condemn things that don't and completely and utterly ignore the illogical reasoning as to why they make such decisions.

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    Re: 45% Suspect Obama Team Involved in Blagojevich Scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    You're absolutely correct. Its amazing how many people wrongfully believe that Bush stated Saddam had a hand in 9/11
    Gosh, you mean the liberal whacknuts haven't proven that yet?
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    Re: 45% Suspect Obama Team Involved in Blagojevich Scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    The silence, the "Releasing of information" two weeks later, Rhambo's wierd reactions of silence, The fact that Obama's name was mentioned what 144 times? etc....


    Here is what I think happened, and this is speculation based on the information I have seen.


    Rhambo the clown gave a list of suitable canidates -no crime.

    hot rod then wanted something for it.

    Rhambo the clown told him to go pound sand.

    Hot rod is seen cursing obama.



    Now what is the problem here? To me, its the failure to report the crime and does not make Obama who is a chicago politician look good.


    But who knows. we will see.
    And while we're all throwing guesses out there, mine is that the Obama team thought, "Hey, what the hell do we have to do with any of this? Why say anything if we're not involved in this in any way?" The choice to stay aloof, while not politically brilliant in retrospect, is not evidence of anything.

    Time will tell.

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    Re: 45% Suspect Obama Team Involved in Blagojevich Scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I'm guessing you would agree then. And do you think that, knowing people would be so stupid as to draw correlation from proximity, someone just might exploit that?
    Actually, I would not agree. For anyone with half a brain or better, there needs to be a LOT more to creating a link than putting pictures next to one another.

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    Re: 45% Suspect Obama Team Involved in Blagojevich Scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    You're absolutely correct. Its amazing how many people wrongfully believe that Bush stated Saddam had a hand in 9/11
    We know that Iraq and the al Qaeda terrorist network share a common enemy -- the United States of America. We know that Iraq and al Qaeda have had high-level contacts that go back a decade. Some al Qaeda leaders who fled Afghanistan went to Iraq. These include one very senior al Qaeda leader who received medical treatment in Baghdad this year, and who has been associated with planning for chemical and biological attacks. We've learned that Iraq has trained al Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases. And we know that after September the 11th, Saddam Hussein's regime gleefully celebrated the terrorist attacks on America. . . .

    President Bush Outlines Iraqi Threat
    Let's not pretend that Bush wasn't trying to associate the two in this speech as to why we should invade Iraq. This paragraph is one example. Read the whole transcript. He mentions September 11th throughout his speech knowing that people will hear Iraq and September 11 and associate one with the other. To me, while he didn't say, "Saddam had a hand in September 11th," he unquestionably intimated a relationship.

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    Re: 45% Suspect Obama Team Involved in Blagojevich Scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    And while we're all throwing guesses out there, mine is that the Obama team thought, "Hey, what the hell do we have to do with any of this? Why say anything if we're not involved in this in any way?" The choice to stay aloof, while not politically brilliant in retrospect, is not evidence of anything.

    Time will tell.



    What happened to openess and stating "we have nothing to do with this" instead we get "We will tell you what our own internal investigation found out already in two weeks"....


    This is suspect to me.
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    Re: 45% Suspect Obama Team Involved in Blagojevich Scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Let's not pretend that Bush wasn't trying to associate the two in this speech as to why we should invade Iraq. This paragraph is one example. Read the whole transcript. He mentions September 11th throughout his speech knowing that people will hear Iraq and September 11 and associate one with the other. To me, while he didn't say, "Saddam had a hand in September 11th," he unquestionably intimated a relationship.
    Do you have solid proof?
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    Re: 45% Suspect Obama Team Involved in Blagojevich Scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Let's not pretend that Bush wasn't trying to associate the two in this speech as to why we should invade Iraq. This paragraph is one example. Read the whole transcript. He mentions September 11th throughout his speech knowing that people will hear Iraq and September 11 and associate one with the other. To me, while he didn't say, "Saddam had a hand in September 11th," he unquestionably intimated a relationship.
    Tying Iraq to AQ doesnt, in any way, tie Iraq to 9/11.
    Keep pushing that Big Lie.

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    Re: 45% Suspect Obama Team Involved in Blagojevich Scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Look up, I just addressed this.


    Blago here to me becomes aware of a crime. His duty was to report it, if this is true.
    What eventually got Blaggy indicted was taped conversations. Without solid evidence such as that, any politician would be crazy to level such serious charges against another politician.

    To move to pure conjecture, I find it highly unlikely that Blaggy ever personally contacted Obama. There's already evidence of conversations with Obama aides, and the Obama camp was quite clear in refusing to play ball. I've seen no evidence that talks ever got past the grunts, which would leave no room for Obama to accuse Blaggy, and would probably be too flimsy to bag Blaggy anyway.

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    Re: 45% Suspect Obama Team Involved in Blagojevich Scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    What eventually got Blaggy indicted was taped conversations. Without solid evidence such as that, any politician would be crazy to level such serious charges against another politician.

    To move to pure conjecture, I find it highly unlikely that Blaggy ever personally contacted Obama. There's already evidence of conversations with Obama aides, and the Obama camp was quite clear in refusing to play ball. I've seen no evidence that talks ever got past the grunts, which would leave no room for Obama to accuse Blaggy, and would probably be too flimsy to bag Blaggy anyway.

    I agree with you., However, there is a question as to whether there was "knowledge" of a crime.
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