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    Priest: Playboy cover resembling Mary 'desperate,' 'blasphemous'

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    Two reactions to this:

    1. She is one beautiful woman.
    2. The timing of the picture (the time of the Feast of the Our Lady of Guadelupe, the Patroness of the Americas - a feast day in the US and other Western Hemisphere countries - and incidently the namesake of the church I attend in Taiwan) as well as during the Advent season is troubling, especially given the SPanish title on the magazine and the clothing/atmosphere of the picture. I would regard this as mildly offensive.
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    Re: Priest: Playboy cover resembling Mary 'desperate,' 'blasphemous'

    The timing of the picture (the time of the Feast of the Our Lady of Guadelupe, the Patroness of the Americas - a feast day in the US and other Western Hemisphere countries - and incidently the namesake of the church I attend in Taiwan) as well as during the Advent season is troubling, especially given the SPanish title on the magazine and the clothing/atmosphere of the picture.
    Uh... it's the mexican edition of Playboy. Why wouldn't the title be in spanish? The whole dang magazine's in spanish, because it's for sale in mexico, where most people don't speak english.
    Why does that- the language- seem particularly troubling to you?

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    Re: Priest: Playboy cover resembling Mary 'desperate,' 'blasphemous'

    Sheesh, CNN's Rick Sanchez (as usual) isn't conducting an interview. He's supposed to be a journalist soliciting the opinions of others, not taking over the "interview" by spouting his own opinions. His leading and provocative statements were commentary, not journalism.

    Anyway, I'm not Catholic so it doesn't offend me. It seems the reaction of the Catholic community is a bit over the top, but then again I'm non-religious so I frequently feel the puffed-up blasphemy allegations of most religions are over the top.

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    Re: Priest: Playboy cover resembling Mary 'desperate,' 'blasphemous'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Uh... it's the mexican edition of Playboy. Why wouldn't the title be in spanish? The whole dang magazine's in spanish, because it's for sale in mexico, where most people don't speak english.
    Why does that- the language- seem particularly troubling to you?
    The fact that it was in Spanish was not troublesome. It is what it SAID that was troublesome.
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    Re: Priest: Playboy cover resembling Mary 'desperate,' 'blasphemous'

    Just goes to show that the Virgin Mary doesn't need a burnt piece of toast to make an appearance.
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    Re: Priest: Playboy cover resembling Mary 'desperate,' 'blasphemous'

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    article here

    Two reactions to this:

    1. She is one beautiful woman.
    2. The timing of the picture (the time of the Feast of the Our Lady of Guadelupe, the Patroness of the Americas - a feast day in the US and other Western Hemisphere countries - and incidently the namesake of the church I attend in Taiwan) as well as during the Advent season is troubling, especially given the SPanish title on the magazine and the clothing/atmosphere of the picture. I would regard this as mildly offensive.
    Ludahai, I understand the offense you take. I myself go back and forth on the issue of art taking liberties with religious iconoclasty. Blasphemy is something I absolutely cringe over. Heresey, I will actually encourage but blasphemy is crossing the line of taking a shot at the Church and actually going after God, Himself. That, I won't abide.

    However, I find the line between heresy and blasphemy in art very blurry. Art reflects life and world views. Religion is something that is pervasive in our world views and we are saturated with it everywhere. The same is true of our sexuality. I find this particular piece just to be a hybrid expression of human sexuality and pervasive religious icons. In fact, I find the picture kind of sexy and celebratory of the whole of a woman by incorporating her spirituality with her physicality in one, powerful image. It's a more human expression of womanhood than most art is.

    I think we, as Christians, forget that Mary wasn't a virgin forever. Jesus did have a brother and I don't think he was conceived through immaculate conception. I love this image...I think it brings home the status of Mary, not only as an icon, but as a real person, too.

    Now a cross in a bottle of feces...that I would not tolerate.

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    Re: Priest: Playboy cover resembling Mary 'desperate,' 'blasphemous'

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    It is what it SAID that was troublesome.
    Get over it. Unless you are saying that your faith or others faith is wavered by what Playboy says.
    Last edited by TheNextEra; 12-15-08 at 11:33 PM.

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    Re: Priest: Playboy cover resembling Mary 'desperate,' 'blasphemous'

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I think we, as Christians, forget that Mary wasn't a virgin forever. Jesus did have a brother and I don't think he was conceived through immaculate conception. I love this image...I think it brings home the status of Mary, not only as an icon, but as a real person, too.
    Speak for yourself. Catholics refer to her as the Eternal Virgin. Jesus did NOT have any brothers (or half-brothers).

    Now a cross in a bottle of feces...that I would not tolerate.
    That one was pretty bad, and far more offensive. Note, in the OP, I said I was "mildly offended" by this picture.
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    Re: Priest: Playboy cover resembling Mary 'desperate,' 'blasphemous'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Get over it. Unless you are saying that your faith or others faith is wavered by what Playboy says.
    That's not what he said at all. It would be so nice to have a discussion about something religious in content without some atheist nut turning it into a full on bitchfest by being a full on dickhead within the first page. Just once.

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    Re: Priest: Playboy cover resembling Mary 'desperate,' 'blasphemous'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Get over it. Unless you are saying that your faith or others faith is wavered by what Playboy says.
    Again, you are not reading very well. I said I was "mildly offended". My faith is NOT challenged. However, using the symbols of that faith in an irreverent manner is offensive.

    You will note that I did say that she is a beautiful woman in the OP.
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