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Priest: Playboy cover resembling Mary 'desperate,' 'blasphemous'

Wessexman said:
So in fact after all that you do partake in insulting and ridiculing of people's spiritual beliefs.
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I'm old skool. I prefer directing the blasphemer to the rack or a bonfire. Nothing like the smell of roasting heathens in the morning.
 
EgoffTib said:
I blaspheme by challenging God. It's not my intention to insult others feelings.
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Well you wouldn't do it otherwise would you, unless you have some evangelising athiest agenda. Which many seem too like the idiot Dawkins.

Blaspheming though tends to mean insulting not just challenging.
 
jallman said:
I'm old skool. I prefer directing the blasphemer to the rack or a bonfire. Nothing like the smell of roasting heathens in the morning.
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I've often said that in England we should get the old Smithfield fires burning again.
 
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Wessexman said:
Well you wouldn't do it otherwise would you, unless you have some evangelising athiest agenda. Which many seem too like the idiot Dawkins.

Blaspheming though tends to mean insulting not just challenging.
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Blasphemy - A contemptuous or profane act, utterance, or writing concerning God or a sacred entity.

By challenging God I am blaspheming and, according to you, upsetting people.
 
EgoffTib said:
Blasphemy - A contemptuous or profane act, utterance, or writing concerning God or a sacred entity.

By challenging God I am blaspheming and, according to you, upsetting people.
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I don't think anyone here would have a problem if you blasphemed in private just as we Christians don't pray in the company of those who are offended by it. Well, respectful Christians, anyway.
 
EgoffTib said:
Blasphemy - A contemptuous or profane act, utterance, or writing concerning God or a sacred entity.
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Contemptuous or profane to me suggests insulting not simply challenging.

By challenging God I am blaspheming and, according to you, upsetting people.
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Well I don't see why you have to do it publically personally, unless you are trying to convert people to your viewpoint.
 
Wessexman said:
Contemptuous or profane to me suggests insulting not simply challenging.
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By challenging God to prove his existence to me, I am blaspheming.

Well I don't see why you have to do it publically personally, unless you are trying to convert people to your viewpoint.
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I never said I did it publicly... That was something you assumed. I would hope people would honestly not be offended by "OMG God is liek teh super GAY!!1!!1" but people's sensitivity never ceases to amaze me.
 
Wessexman said:
Well I don't see why you have to do it publically personally, unless you are trying to convert people to your viewpoint.
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Christians try to convert people all the time. Why is it bad for atheists too?

Christians try to convert people by telling them they are sinners and will go to hell if they don't accept Jesus Christ into their lives. Atheists try to convert people by telling them God is a fairy tale and not real.

Both groups make an assumption they cannot prove with facts.
 
EgoffTib said:
By challenging God to prove his existence to me, I am blaspheming.



I never said I did it publicly... That was something you assumed. I would hope people would honestly not be offended by "OMG God is liek teh super GAY!!1!!1" but people's sensitivity never ceases to amaze me.
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When you do that, you are insulting a very integral part of what makes up a person of faith. Their faith is as much a part of them as is their brown or blonde hair or their eye color or their accent.

The insensitiviy of the faithless never ceases to amaze me.
 
Wessexman said:
Not unless you are being contempuous or profane by your own definition.
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That's according to you and how you view. I know some people that take real offense if you say "God Damnit" around them.

In other words, what you may not find offensive of blasphemy someone else might. It's all subjective.
 
TheNextEra said:
Christians try to convert people all the time. Why is it bad for atheists too?

Christians try to convert people by telling them they are sinners and will go to hell if they don't accept Jesus Christ into their lives. Atheists try to convert people by telling them God is a fairy tale and not real.

Both groups make an assumption they cannot prove with facts.
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Ummm...when has that happened here in this thread? Why is it that the rabid atheists always have to try to draw first blood in any discussion?
 
jallman said:
When you do that, you are insulting a very integral part of what makes up a person of faith. Their faith is as much a part of them as is their brown or blonde hair or their eye color or their accent.

The insensitiviy of the faithless never ceases to amaze me.
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I don't cry a river when some uneducated Christian springs into a thread, says evolution never happened, the Bible is 100% historically accurate and that I need to repent for my sins. I just laugh.
 
TheNextEra said:
Christians try to convert people all the time. Why is it bad for atheists too?

Christians try to convert people by telling them they are sinners and will go to hell if they don't accept Jesus Christ into their lives. Atheists try to convert people by telling them God is a fairy tale and not real.

Both groups make an assumption they cannot prove with facts.
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Surely athiests shouldn't care about converting people?

It all strikes me as very Dawkins-esque, which should be enough to put anyone off.
 
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EgoffTib said:
I don't cry a river when some uneducated Christian springs into a thread, says evolution never happened, the Bible is 100% historically accurate and that I need to repent for my sins. I just laugh.
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Attitudes like this make me pine away for the days when the rack and the iron maiden were used to put an end to such things...
 
Wessexman said:
Surely athiests shouldn't care about converting people?
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Why not? They maybe want to free people from what they see as a "delusional" state of being.
 
TheNextEra said:
Why not? They maybe want to free people from what they see as a "delusional" state of being.
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Why? What does it bring them? Ignoring the social and individual place of the institution of religion in human societies that it has basically always had.
 
jallman said:
Attitudes like this make me pine away for the days when the rack and the iron maiden were used to put an end to such things...
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It's just a matter of how one deals with adversity. You can let it affect you and overtake you, or you can rise above it.
 
Wessexman said:
Why? What does it bring them? Ignoring the social and individual place of the institution of religion in human societies that it has basically always had.
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Christians like to make laws based on what their religion allows. When they are converted away from that, the laws can be changed or not made.
 
TheNextEra said:
Christians like to make laws based on what their religion allows. When they are converted away from that, the laws can be changed or not made.
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Everyone likes to make laws or preserve laws according to their "metaprinciples", those ethical, spiritual and metaphysical principles which make up their basic belief structure.
 
Wessexman said:
Everyone likes to make laws or preserve laws according to their "metaprinciples", those ethical, spiritual and metaphysical principles which make up their basic belief structure.
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I know, but I was giving you an example is all why an atheist would want to convert.
 
TheNextEra said:
I know, but I was giving you an example is all why an atheist would want to convert.
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Indeed I understand and I can see your point.

Personally I think In general modern Western athiesm's "metaprinciples" seem to be very much the same as those of modern liberalism and they seem to reinforce each other.

As a resolute enemy of a lot of what makes up modern liberalism and social democracy I do not welcome the "metaprinciples" of modern western athiesm either.
 
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