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    Re: Priest: Playboy cover resembling Mary 'desperate,' 'blasphemous'

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    Really? From what source? The sensationalist media that drops the story as soon as more reasoned facts emerge.
    IMO, even if teh instances of Pedophilia in the Curch are less than that of the general popullation, it doesn't change the my opinion that instances of Priests doing it strikes me as just as bad as a parent doing it.

    If the Church was responsible for any cover-ups, that make sit even worse. It means that they were worrying more about the Church's image more than they were worried about the danger to Children.

    I think that more often than not though, these cover-ups were the acts of single priests, bishops etc, and not a church doctrine. I hope that it never became the policy of the Church to cover up these horrendous acts. That would be terrible beyond belief.
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    Re: Priest: Playboy cover resembling Mary 'desperate,' 'blasphemous'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    You have a brain the size of an electron.
    Did you wish to comment on my valid point or just sit here and personally attack me?

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    Re: Priest: Playboy cover resembling Mary 'desperate,' 'blasphemous'

    Some are blind to the wrong doings of the church. Lets all blame the media for the acts of the pedophiles. Makes lots of sense. Not.

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    Re: Priest: Playboy cover resembling Mary 'desperate,' 'blasphemous'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Some are blind to the wrong doings of the church. Lets all blame the media for the acts of the pedophiles. Makes lots of sense. Not.
    No one defends the pedophiles. It's you who is blinded by hatred. Not the justifiable hatred of child abusers, the irrational hatred of an institution based on a few bad people.

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    Re: Priest: Playboy cover resembling Mary 'desperate,' 'blasphemous'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    IMO, even if teh instances of Pedophilia in the Curch are less than that of the general popullation, it doesn't change the my opinion that instances of Priests doing it strikes me as just as bad as a parent doing it.
    It is disgusting--and yes, doubly so due to their position of authority and supposed safety.


    If the Church was responsible for any cover-ups, that make sit even worse. It means that they were worrying more about the Church's image more than they were worried about the danger to Children.
    I think it's more complicated than that. The Church is supposed to be a refuge for sinners to find healing. To abandon sinners because of the heinous nature of the sin is counter to the role and duty of the Church. People failed to deal with a difficult issue well. We learn from our mistakes. Sometimes the lesson is a long time coming.

    I think that more often than not though, these cover-ups were the acts of single priests, bishops etc, and not a church doctrine. I hope that it never became the policy of the Church to cover up these horrendous acts. That would be terrible beyond belief.
    Agreed. I think the intention of some may have been motivated out of fear and shame, but ultimately, the institution intends mercy and healing--hopefully for all involved.

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    Re: Priest: Playboy cover resembling Mary 'desperate,' 'blasphemous'

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    It is disgusting--and yes, doubly so due to their position of authority and supposed safety.
    I think that is a major reason for the outrage form non-catholics over it as well as the sensationalist aspects to teh media coverage.


    I think it's more complicated than that. The Church is supposed to be a refuge for sinners to find healing. To abandon sinners because of the heinous nature of the sin is counter to the role and duty of the Church. People failed to deal with a difficult issue well. We learn from our mistakes. Sometimes the lesson is a long time coming.

    Agreed. I think the intention of some may have been motivated out of fear and shame, but ultimately, the institution intends mercy and healing--hopefully for all involved.
    To be fair, I never really considered it from that perspective. The Catholic Church is quite big on the forgiveness for all sins great and small thing, as was taught by Jesus.

    They are one of the biggest anti-death penalty groups out there and they are one of the few faiths that have the commandemnt as "Thou shalt not Kill" instead of "Thou shalt not murder".

    I always automatically assumed it was an image thing, but your explanation makes sense given Church doctrine along the lines of forgiveness etc.

    I obviousl still think it was handled poorly, but I think the fact that there is no crime that is truly "Unforgivable" in Catholocism means that there may have been a certain naivety, for lack of a better term, involved with some of the cover-up decisions.

    It makes a certain sense to me when it is put that way. It doesn't absolve the church of wrongdoing, per se, but it makes the decisions more easy to understand form a point of view shift.

    I'm sure that isn't going to be the case with most people who in fact do believe that "unforgivable" crimes exist. But I think that by placing myself in the shoes of someone who might think that, I can get an idea what teh thought process was.
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    Re: Priest: Playboy cover resembling Mary 'desperate,' 'blasphemous'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I think that is a major reason for the outrage form non-catholics over it as well as the sensationalist aspects to teh media coverage.




    To be fair, I never really considered it from that perspective. The Catholic Church is quite big on the forgiveness for all sins great and small thing, as was taught by Jesus.

    They are one of the biggest anti-death penalty groups out there and they are one of the few faiths that have the commandemnt as "Thou shalt not Kill" instead of "Thou shalt not murder".

    I always automatically assumed it was an image thing, but your explanation makes sense given Church doctrine along the lines of forgiveness etc.

    I obviousl still think it was handled poorly, but I think the fact that there is no crime that is truly "Unforgivable" in Catholocism means that there may have been a certain naivety, for lack of a better term, involved with some of the cover-up decisions.

    It makes a certain sense to me when it is put that way. It doesn't absolve the church of wrongdoing, per se, but it makes the decisions more easy to understand form a point of view shift.

    I'm sure that isn't going to be the case with most people who in fact do believe that "unforgivable" crimes exist. But I think that by placing myself in the shoes of someone who might think that, I can get an idea what teh thought process was.
    I really appreciate that acknowledgement.

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    Re: Priest: Playboy cover resembling Mary 'desperate,' 'blasphemous'

    If we are going to criticize any religious denomination because some of its members are sometimes worst than non-religious criminals, sexual abusers, etc...then we must condemn them all without exception.

    Some religious paintings showed naked bodies when they were made, later the nakedness of the people in the paintings were covered up because the priest in charge found then unmoral. later the nakedness were showed again by another priest who had a different opinion, and so forth...

    Actually, there are some limits about where and when a naked body can be shown to the people in general. And this applies also to the readings of religious books. This is to say, what is the intention of the painter, the photographer, the writer, etc, and how such art is appreciated by the rest.

    In the case of the Playboy magazine portrait of the young woman and the words of an article mentioning the virgin Mary in the same page, yes indeed, it may be some mischievous intentions of this publication company to create controversies around.

    In order to understand better what is going on, I can say that if a paint the Christ crucified in a closest scenario of how Romans did such crucifixions, then I should paint the Christ naked and also the other two sentenced to death naked as well. Doing so I would create another controversy which may be approved by a historian who knows the procedures of such crucifixions and the rejection of most of the Christian religious denominations.

    Who is right or who is wrong will depend of the rule of the society or of the person in charge over it. To me, art is art, even so, I enjoy the privilege to select what I want to see, hear, and read. In this case, I do find a provocation in such a portrait, but I still like that Playboy girl for the month of December.

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    Re: Priest: Playboy cover resembling Mary 'desperate,' 'blasphemous'

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    No one defends the pedophiles.
    Then why would churches shuffle around pedophile priests instead of turning them in?

    That sounds like defending to me. It wasn't until it was found out that the churches cooperated with authorities.

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    Re: Priest: Playboy cover resembling Mary 'desperate,' 'blasphemous'

    Eh, there's been art around portraying Jesus as quite sexy since well forever. I think Jesus may have been my first crush. Catholic school really screws you up. Anyway it's about time someone artistically insinuated Mary might have been a hottie too.

    Since I'm not religious in any manner of speaking my opinion on the matter is admittedly worthless.

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