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    Re: Priest: Playboy cover resembling Mary 'desperate,' 'blasphemous'

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    As a resolute enemy of a lot of what makes up modern liberalism and social democracy I do not welcome the "metaprinciples" of modern western athiesm either.
    Good thing you don't live in the West.
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    Re: Priest: Playboy cover resembling Mary 'desperate,' 'blasphemous'

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Personally I think In general modern Western athiesm's "metaprinciples" seem to be very much the same as those of modern liberalism and they seem to reinforce each other.
    To really respond to this I would have to find out what you think the metaprinciples of liberalism and atheism are?

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    Re: Priest: Playboy cover resembling Mary 'desperate,' 'blasphemous'

    Do you guys really think the cover is that well done, from an aesthetic/ artistic perspective?



    Controversy aside, I think they could've done a lot more/ better with this theme.

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    Re: Priest: Playboy cover resembling Mary 'desperate,' 'blasphemous'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Do you guys really think the cover is that well done, from an aesthetic/ artistic perspective?



    Controversy aside, I think they could've done a lot more/ better with this theme.
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    Re: Priest: Playboy cover resembling Mary 'desperate,' 'blasphemous'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    To really respond to this I would have to find out what you think the metaprinciples of liberalism and atheism are?
    Liberalism is, at its worst, extreme rationalism, universalism, egalitarianism, authoritarianism, contempt for anything settled, traditional, sacred or decent basically. Think Rousseau. Modern, Western Athiesm, imho, reinforces some of these.
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    Re: Priest: Playboy cover resembling Mary 'desperate,' 'blasphemous'

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    Since when is defending my faith against lies on here pushing it?
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    Re: Priest: Playboy cover resembling Mary 'desperate,' 'blasphemous'

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    Are you English?
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    Re: Priest: Playboy cover resembling Mary 'desperate,' 'blasphemous'

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    I don't cry a river when some uneducated Christian springs into a thread, says evolution never happened, the Bible is 100% historically accurate and that I need to repent for my sins. I just laugh.
    THat is one of the big beefs I have with Evagelicals - well at least the first two points anyway.
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    Re: Priest: Playboy cover resembling Mary 'desperate,' 'blasphemous'

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    Ludahai demonstrates total lack of self-awareness
    Kind of funny because of all the PMs I get from people commenting exactly the opposite. Of course, coming from you, it doesn't bother me very much.
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    Re: Priest: Playboy cover resembling Mary 'desperate,' 'blasphemous'

    I'm not really sure why a discussion about cover of a wankin' mag that was done up to look like Mary in a church has devolved into a discussion about faith vs. atheism.

    It seems to me that the issue here is what can be construed as blasphemy to those who have faith. Obviously no atheist is going to be bothered by the cover for obvious reasons.

    Now someone of faith, especially catholicism, could be legitimately offended by this. The issue becomes Is Playboy wrong in doing this, and should they be prevented from doing this.

    Now, in a culture that values free expression, there is no way that one could argue that Playboy should be prevented form doing this. If you do not value free expression, then you can argue that this should be prevented. I think that is a losing argument because it is forcing your opinions down everyones throat to call for legal prevention of free expression.

    As far as the inherent "wrongness" of the cover, it depends on Playboys goal and if the goal works. If they truly meant the cover to honor Mary, then they were wrong given the context of the magazine. They will offend those with faith more than they will please them with this depiction.

    But if the goal was to sell issues of Playboy, then they may be "right" in doing so because controversy tends to sell magazines.

    I don't think the cover is tasteless like the crucifix in a jar of piss "art" is tasteless, (and I don't really think anyone would say that it is that tasteless), but there are plenty of people who would and do find it to be tasteless. They are fully correct in having that opinion. I don;t think anyone has the right to tell them that they don't have the right to this opinion.

    They also have the right to SHARE that opinion and call it "blasphemous" and "desperate" and try to "punish" Playboy through the free market with boycotts etc..

    That is the beauty of a free society.

    Turning this into a discussion about faith vs. atheism is just plain retarded.

    This is an issue I have with a portion of the atheist population. They often take these issues that are VALID issues within the religious community and try and turn it into a "bash faith fest".

    I implore my fellow atheists to look at this cover and ask themselves what damage is done to them by letting Catholics and people of faith protest it within their rights.

    Seriously. Are we lessened by the fact that people of faith are able to use the free market for which it was designed?

    Why turn this into a chance to impugn their beliefs?

    I understand the fear of a slippery slope where we allow those who are offended to get their way on every issue, but the way to approach this is NOT to attack them for their feelings and beliefs.

    Honestly, if you want to protest their protests, PURCHASE the magazine. Make it the best selling issue of Playboy of all time. Playboy will hear your protest where it counts, their bottom line. If they profit immensely on this issue, then you will have successfully made them realize that they should not cater to those who are offended, but instead they should try and do these things more often in the future.

    Send a letter to Playboy stating that you have subscribed to their magazine specifically because of this cover. You would like to see more things like it in the future.

    Don't bash people for their faith. There is no point to that.

    That's my opinion on the issue. This is not a chance to promote atheism, nor is it the time to "defend" the lack of faith.
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