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Shoes thrown at Bush on Iraq trip

Kandahar said:
Bush handled it pretty well. I question how the man was able to do that in the first place without the security kicking his ass sooner. It could've just as easily been a grenade.
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I think they were probably confident there were no guns or grenades in the room and felt it was a safe enough environment. The pesident showed his stuff with his quick reflexes; with the second shoe he held up his hand expecting a lower aim but not willing to drop below the podium. He also showed his always gracious attitude at being the butt of this so called free speech by upholding it each time he has spoken about it. The most critical thing he said was "I don't know what this guys beef" was.

This link provides the president's
comments on the whole thing while still in the room

YouTube - Shoes thrown at Bush on Iraq trip & he`s comment

Cristina said:
He should have put a grenade in it and wiped the smug look off that pricks face - especially when he joked about it afterward, claiming it was 'amusing'.

What sort of cruel mother****er finds kidnap, torture, and death amusing? That man was kidnapped and tortured. He went through unspeakable hells, his friends and family have been killed, and all Bush can say is that he was 'amused'?

**** I hate your President, America. He makes me sick to my stomach.
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I watched the above link, and I also saw it on the Sunday News programs, plus an interview of the president by Martha Raddatz and didn't hear the president say he was amused.

I also did a word search for "amused" or "amusing" on this incident, and came up with nothing like that. Did I miss something? Perhaps this is just another case of "projection" where some people see and hear what they expect to see or hear.

ludahai said:
Bush is actually in pretty good physical shape for his age, especially considering the job he has had for the past eight years.
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Yes he is, and his heartbeat is below 60. I wonder, since Obama has begun smoking again, if he will be in as good shape 8 years from now after serving two terms.
 
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Can someone make me an avatar of this? :mrgreen:
 
sazerac said:
Oh sell it somewhere else, sister!
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And it is precisely because of people like yourself with their dismissive attitudes to the plight of women that the falling status and freedoms of women in Iraq are being conveniently overlooked for the issues that the US really cares about (access to oil, throwing its weight about, behaving as the unelected policeman of the world etc.) Your régime sucks up to régimes like the Saudi theocracy - if you really cared about freedom you'd be targetting the Saudi royal family as quickly as you targetted Saddam. But no, their importance as an oil producer means you actually don't care if unelected thugs make women live lives of misery under their veils with few choices and the threat of beheading should they dare to drive a car or express their, shock horror, sexuality.

Many United Statesians will have no idea why this journalist was angered enough to throw a shoe at Bush, because their limited powers of analysis can't let them see beyond the most simplistic good versus evil arguments. You wouldn't waste time trying to deconstruct the complex reasons that led up to this incident - Faux News and CNN Lies can give you the potted "analysis" that suits you best in just two minutes, and then you can ignore the violation of women's human rights because hurry up, American Idol will be on in a minute :roll:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Wrong...... The man was briefly held by insurgents and the Iraqi police. that is all...
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So he's been freed? Last I heard, he is not. Also, Iraqi TV is reporting multiple injuries. Apparently half the Iraqi population is pissed at the man not because he threw a shoe at Bush, but moreso, because it was in the presence of the Iraqi President.
 
Laila said:
I've already gone through this, im not going through it again.

I suggest actually reading the ****ing thread and response to that post :roll:
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Sorry, it was in response more to the idiots in your article stating that if he's not released it shows that the democracy brought to them was a sham. The quote function just didn't copy your article. My bad.

Tucker Case said:
Bush handled it very well, IMO.

Even though I'm sure I'll get flack from Bush-haters for saying it, I think Bush is compassionate enough to understand that the guy had emotional reasons for the outburst and I think that is part of what caused him to handle it so well.
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I agree. I disagree with Bush on a number of policy issues, but I never bought into the notion he was this callous guy that willingly and with great glee sends "kids" off to die "purposefully" over in Iraq and all those other notions for him.

I do think he's honestly a good man, with a good heart, that's made a number of bad decisions along the way. I think at times it may very well be that trait actually that lends him to make some of the bad decisions.

To a certain extent, you need your President to be seperated from emotion.

Middleground said:
I'm hearing stories that this man was tortured at the hands of Americans. Can anyone confirm this? There must be a reason why he was so raged.
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Yes, there must be a reason, because we've never seen people act irrationally angry before.

Where were you in the thread about the guys plotting to kill Obama worrisomely asking "What drove these men to plan this? What horrible thing happened to them to force them to want to plan a man's death? What was responsible for their actions?"

Yes, something likely spurred this. It could very well be absolute delusions of thinking that America is the western devil as it was that he was actually harmed by American Soldiers. Whatever the reason for it, it still does not excuse him, nor obsolve him, from trying to attack the POTUS.
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
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Can someone make me an avatar of this? :mrgreen:
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Haha, that's the greatest thing I've seen in a week
 
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Zyphlin said:
Where were you in the thread about the guys plotting to kill Obama worrisomely asking "What drove these men to plan this? What horrible thing happened to them to force them to want to plan a man's death? What was responsible for their actions?"

Yes, something likely spurred this. It could very well be absolute delusions of thinking that America is the western devil as it was that he was actually harmed by American Soldiers. Whatever the reason for it, it still does not excuse him, nor obsolve him, from trying to attack the POTUS.
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I think there's a difference here. The actions of this Iraqi journalist does not strike me as nuts. He seems angry, but not crazy. I liken this incident to vigilante justice. At least it strikes me that way.
 
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Middleground said:
So he's been freed? Last I heard, he is not. Also, Iraqi TV is reporting multiple injuries. Apparently half the Iraqi population is pissed at the man not because he threw a shoe at Bush, but moreso, because it was in the presence of the Iraqi President.
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No this was prior, which is why he is mad. he may have been stopped once at an American checkpoint as well.



Though now apparently he has a broken arm and some broken ribs. now he's got something to be pissed about. :lol:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
No this was prior, which is why he is mad. he may have been stopped once at an American checkpoint as well.



Though now apparently he has a broken arm and some broken ribs. now he's got something to be pissed about. :lol:
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So all that had happened to him--before this incident-- was being stopped at a checkpoint for a few minutes? Either he has strong issue with anger management, or there's more to the story.
 
I think the most important thing to note here is that Bush will go down in history as the best Shoe-dodging president of all time.
 
Middleground said:
So all that had happened to him--before this incident-- was being stopped at a checkpoint for a few minutes? Either he has strong issue with anger management, or there's more to the story.
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Yes.


Given his shoe throwing, poor self control would be the most likely scenario.
 
Middleground said:
I'm hearing stories that this man was tortured at the hands of Americans. Can anyone confirm this? There must be a reason why he was so raged.
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Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'

The brother of the Iraqi journalist who threw his shoes at US President George W Bush has said that the reporter has been beaten in custody.

Muntadar al-Zaidi has suffered a broken hand, broken ribs and internal bleeding, as well as an eye injury, his older brother, Dargham, told the BBC.
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BBC NEWS | Middle East | Shoe thrower 'beaten in custody'

Potentially fatal injuries for insulting a foreign leader are reminiscent of Saddam's regime.
 
That journalist could get two years for that. What is more important is the citizens formrtly under Sadam now are throwing their shoes at our troops like copycats jerks. Bad for our troops, bad for everyone. This is inexcuseable for anyone from any country to do to a visitor. Recall a monk spit on Nixon and someone else in South America spit tobacco on him. I though Bush handled it very well and note he stops the Sercret Service guy from going in front of him. Piss on Iraq.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
So I could shoot at you and its only an insult as long as I miss, even though I am aiming at you?


You have some AWESOME logic there. :lol:
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Uh no, the "AWESOME logic" is yours. Was the reporter throwing with intent to kill? He was expressing his frustration at the leader who has attacked his country killing and maiming countless thousands of civilians, and still claims it was a good thing he did. Bush should request his release and publicly forgive him. If he were a man of character, he would.
 
Chanda said:
Uh no, the "AWESOME logic" is yours. Was the reporter throwing with intent to kill? He was expressing his frustration at the leader who has attacked his country killing and maiming countless thousands of civilians, and still claims it was a good thing he did. Bush should request his release and publicly forgive him. If he were a man of character, he would.
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So if I am frustrated with Obama, I can throw my shoes at him?


yes or no,.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
So if I am frustrated with Obama, I can throw my shoes at him?


yes or no,.
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Yes, you can, and you would be justified if he had ordered an attack on your country, killing countless thousands of innocent men, women and children without good cause...
 
Chanda said:
Yes, you can, and you would be justified if he had ordered an attack on your country, killing countless thousands of innocent men, women and children without good cause...
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What if he orders an attack on my tax returns? :2razz:
 
Chanda said:
Yes, you can, and you would be justified if he had ordered an attack on your country, killing countless thousands of innocent men, women and children without good cause...
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I know chanda, poor poor saddam.


You do know most of the death in Iraq is iraqi on iraqi right?


Put that in your partisan bong and smoke it! :2wave:
 
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