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Shoes thrown at Bush on Iraq trip

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Oh yeah.
 
Well in the Arab world throwing a shoe is a really grave insult to my understanding.



Kudos to the Austin Powers reference.

Even showing the soles of your feet is a grave insult over there. What kind of weird, ****ed up society would go nuts if you showed them the bottom of your feet, but would be highly insulted if you did not let out a loud, raunchy, and smelly fart at the dinner table? Damn, come to think of it, if it wasn't for their politics, I would feel right at home over there. :mrgreen:
 
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A free press is a great thing.:2razz: I wonder if that Iraqi journalist would have had the balls to throw a shoe at Saddam....


I think that there is a big misunderstanding here, throwing shoes is not freedom of speech...throwing shoes to another person is an attack, a physical one.

Freedom of speech is what my father taught me to be when I was a child when he told me that people can say whatever they want about me because "words gone with the wind" and I can react the way I desire at that moment, but, a single physical threat against my physical integrity calls for my inmmediate rejection, defense, run away, etc.

Even the Iraqui prime minister is 100% wrong when he excused the event with the words that such is what happens when freedom of speech is allowed. That is not true, because I can bet that Saddam sent to kill to thousands of Iraquies who tried to kill him or did threat him as well, and thousands of people mean that they indeed "expressed physically" their rejection to his regime.

If this is a case of "freedom of expression", then the Egyptian journalist should be released at this moment and no charges should be imposed to him, but as you can know, he is assumed to be eight years in jail because what he did, this is to say, because he indeed made a physical attack to another person, in this case, the president of US.

I did laugh about how good president Bush evaded the pair of shoes, but I wasn't happy about the event. This is like to watch those shows where people do stupid things like trying to jump a ramp from building to building and get injured breaking their bones, or people in their houses trying to do extreme activities and ended with injuries as well, all that is funny, I laugh a lot about those events but this doesn't mean that I am happy that such accidents were deserved or similar.

I think that the Egyptian journalist might think that he was right when he "insulted" president Bush that way, I think I can understand that he might enjoy the simpathy of many arabians or muslims, but such must never be the reaction of americans. No american can be "happy" about what happened with president Bush, as I explained right above, we can laugh about the trowing of shoes but we cannot be happy because this attack happened against president Bush....and definitively, this is not a case of freedom of speech...by any means.
 
Yes, you can, and you would be justified if he had ordered an attack on your country, killing countless thousands of innocent men, women and children without good cause...

Ah yes, let us appointed the great and all knowing Chanda to be the all powerful judge of everything potentially wrong in this world. Only the great and mighty Chanda can deem what is ABSOLUTELY true, beyond a shadow of a doubt, and is worthy of assulting someone over so that such an assult becomes an insult.

You think you have legitimate disagreements with Obama? Not if the great and mighty Chanda does not believe it so! You may only assult those that the all knowing Chanda dictates is worthy of it!
 
Even showing the soles of your feet is a grave insult over there. What kind of weird, ****ed up society would go nuts if you showed them the bottom of your feet, but would be highly insulted if you did not let out a loud, raunchy, and smelly fart at the dinner table? Damn, come to think of it, if it wasn't for their politics, I would feel right at home over there. :mrgreen:


I believe that is not a "fart" but a "burp" the compliment given to the food at the dinner table. At least that is what I understood about eastern customs when I watched an old movie long ago.
 
Actually, lets extend this reasoning.

If You BELIEVE someone did something very bad, you may break any law against them as long as it doesn't physically hurt them it seems by Chanda's AMAZING logic.

So I mean...think a teacher failed you wrongfully? Well, screw vandalism charges...go smear dog poop and toilet paper all over their house. It doesn't hurt them, its just an insult!

Think that 40 year old guy at the retail store dating an 18 year old is a horrible pedophile? Well, its perfectly okay for you to then break into his store and leave with a few laptops. It doesn't hurt the guy, its just getting him his just deserts.

Think that cop pulling you over for "only" going 3 over is just OUTRAGEOUS! Well, drop your pants and let the golden rain fly. Piss can't HURT the officer, so he should just accept that you're showing him an insult and he shouldn't do a thing to you.

Yes, its wonderful folks. Life according to Chanda. Simply BELIEVE that someone wronged you and you're free to break the law
 
Actually, lets extend this reasoning.

If You BELIEVE someone did something very bad, you may break any law against them as long as it doesn't physically hurt them it seems by Chanda's AMAZING logic.

So I mean...think a teacher failed you wrongfully? Well, screw vandalism charges...go smear dog poop and toilet paper all over their house. It doesn't hurt them, its just an insult!

Think that 40 year old guy at the retail store dating an 18 year old is a horrible pedophile? Well, its perfectly okay for you to then break into his store and leave with a few laptops. It doesn't hurt the guy, its just getting him his just deserts.

Think that cop pulling you over for "only" going 3 over is just OUTRAGEOUS! Well, drop your pants and let the golden rain fly. Piss can't HURT the officer, so he should just accept that you're showing him an insult and he shouldn't do a thing to you.

Yes, its wonderful folks. Life according to Chanda. Simply BELIEVE that someone wronged you and you're free to break the law

Except all the stuff you are talking about doesn't relate to death and invasion.
 
Fine, lets even play that.

Lets say a guy got drunk, drove, and hit your father and killed him. You have no clue if he's done it to other people before. Is it then okay for you to then go, throw bricks through the guys windows, spray paint his house, TP the tree's, and dig up the front yard? When the cops come to arrest you should there be a public outcry that you're not violating the law, you're "Insulting" him because he didn't actually get hurt, and you're justified because he killed your father.

Lets say your state decided that they're putting in a new high way and they need your business's property for an off ramp. Yes, they do pay you a bit of money for the property (more than its worth perhaps), but the fact of the matter is you don't want to go. So you break into you hack into the local governments computer, find out the universal code for the number pad locks on the building, and publish it all over the net to embarass them and possibly inspire others to do illegal acts against them with that information. Should you just be shrugged off, ignored, not arrested at all because I mean...sure, you're breaking the law, but they invaded your place of business, took it over, and you just really really wanted to insult them.

So is what you're telling me is that laws only should apply, unless you really really don't like the guy that the law was broken against, and thus it should just be allowed?
 
Yes, its wonderful folks. Life according to Chanda. Simply BELIEVE that someone wronged you and you're free to break the law

Jeezus, the hypocrisy. Bush based his Iraq war on the premise that someone might try to harm the US sometime in the future. You approve of that, however...:roll:
 
Jeezus, the hypocrisy. Bush based his Iraq war on the premise that someone might try to harm the US sometime in the future. You approve of that, however...:roll:

I think that he is essentially trying to say that two wrongs don't make a right.
 
It's absurd to compare them as two equal wrongs.

I never said that they were two equal wrongs, but that doesn't defer from the fact that two wrongs don't make a right.
 
Jeezus, the hypocrisy. Bush based his Iraq war on the premise that someone might try to harm the US sometime in the future. You approve of that, however...:roll:

Hey Chanda, go find a quote of me saying that I think it was a good thing to invade Iraq or that I approve that we went over there in the first place.

Please do.

Otherwise how about you talk about factual things instead of making **** up? Or maybe actually address things I said about my posts instead of whatever things you've decided to make up in your head.

You're getting pissy because someone had the audacity to say you're opinion is absolutely idiotic and foolish to essentially say someone may BREAK THE LAW as long as its thier OPINION (because you can rant, rave, bitch, complain, moan, whine, or do any other thing you want about how big mean and evil Bush is, everything you've been saying is opinion in the terms you're stating it) that the person did something wrong.

I think that he is essentially trying to say that two wrongs don't make a right.

That, and that you know...illegal is illegal. Funny how Chanda ignores all the other posts showing situations like it. Why? Because any other time they wouldn't dare say that "Hey, its alright to break the law as long as you really really dislike the person or YOU THINK they did something bad".
 
Hey Chanda, go find a quote of me saying that I think it was a good thing to invade Iraq or that I approve that we went over there in the first place.

I know, you said Bush has made "bad decisions," but basically he's a good person at heart. :roll:

I disagree with Bush on a number of policy issues, but I never bought into the notion he was this callous guy that willingly and with great glee sends "kids" off to die "purposefully" over in Iraq and all those other notions for him.

I do think he's honestly a good man, with a good heart, that's made a number of bad decisions along the way. I think at times it may very well be that trait actually that lends him to make some of the bad decisions.

The Iraq War was more than just a bad decision, and not in the least based on good-hearted intentions.

1999: George W. Bush Hints at Invading Iraq in Future Presidency

Mickey Herskowitz. [Source: Public domain]Presidential candidate George W. Bush tells prominent Texas author and Bush family friend Mickey Herskowitz, who is helping Bush write an autobiography, that as president he would invade Iraq if given the opportunity. “One of the keys to being seen as a great leader is to be seen as a commander-in-chief,” Herskowitz remembers Bush saying. “My father had all this political capital built up when he drove the Iraqis out of [Kuwait] and he wasted it. If I have a chance to invade Iraq, if I had that much capital, I’m not going to waste it. I’m going to get everything passed I want to get passed and I’m going to have a successful presidency.”

Events Leading Up to the 2003 Invasion of Iraq: Pre-9/11 Plans for War

Notice, Bush regarded an invasion of Iraq as an opportunity for the purpose of being seen as a great leader and to get legislation passed. When Bush pumped his fist and proclaimed "feels good!" prior to his speech on the eve of the Iraq war, he did appear "gleeful" to me. At the latest count we have:

126 military suicides each week in addition to the official count of 4200+ American deaths since the war began.

Go to Zeitlangers.com to see their names and faces. Some are pictured with their wives and small children.

Estimated total Americans wounded: 100,000
320,000 vets have brain injuries
Casualties in Iraq - 2008

US. Nobel economist Joseph Stiglitz estimates the full cost of the invasion and attempted occupation of Iraq to be between $3 trillion and $5 trillion.

Turning to Iraqi deaths, expert studies support as many as 1.2 million dead Iraqis, almost entirely civilians. Another 2 million Iraqis have fled their country, and there are 2 million displaced Iraqis within Iraq.
Afghan casualties are unknown.

Both Afghanistan and Iraq have suffered unconscionable civilian deaths and damage to housing, infrastructure and environment. Iraq is afflicted with depleted uranium and open sewers.


VDARE.com: 04/22/08 - What the Iraq War is about

All this, so that Bush could be seen as a great leader and get legislation passed. So yeah, the Iraqi reporter was "irrational," and Bush is a good-hearted, compassionate man who just "makes bad decisions."
 
I know, you said Bush has made "bad decisions," but basically he's a good person at heart. :roll:

Well, thank you for obviously showing me you're a worthless debater that's not even worth my time. You make an erroneous claim, I call you on it, and then you peddle out this bull**** instead of even touching my point. Thanks for showing intellectual honesty in debate isn't anything you value or desire to have. Waste your finger strokes if you want, you've shown your not worth reading.
 
Well, thank you for obviously showing me you're a worthless debater that's not even worth my time. You make an erroneous claim, I call you on it, and then you peddle out this bull**** instead of even touching my point. Thanks for showing intellectual honesty in debate isn't anything you value or desire to have. Waste your finger strokes if you want, you've shown your not worth reading.

Erroneous in your opinion, but then you think Bush is a good honest man with a good heart who just made some bad decisions. I think I proved that's not the case.
 
Opinion: a personal belief or judgment that is not founded on proof or certainty

Fact: a concept whose truth can be proved

Erroneous: to contain error, be mistaken, wrong, incorrect

You:

"Bush based his Iraq war on the premise that someone might try to harm the US sometime in the future. You approve of that"

Me:

"Hey Chanda, go find a quote of me saying that I think it was a good thing to invade Iraq or that I approve that we went over there in the first place."

You:

-A bunch of bull**** that doesn't show in any way shape or form that I supported the invasion of Iraq or think its a good idea-

Sorry, its not my opinion its erroneous. Its fact, because you can't back it up with anything to prove it true.

Kind of the same way you're erroneously saying that I believe him to be an honest man, something again, is not based in any fact save for your own delusion to try and paint me in a light different then what is actually there.

See, words have meanings. Annoying thing that, I know, you must hate it.
 
We should have just gotten rid of Saddam, left, and let the chips fall where they may in Iraq. Those savage Arabs don't deserve anything from the civilized world.
 
A flip side here on this; Isn't this allowed BECAUSE of Bush? Under the previous regime his entire family would have been dropped from a helicopter.
Is this not true? The journalist has forgotten what other nations have also lost and sacrificed for his right to insult our president. He believes that freedom is not worth dying for. Perhaps when we pull out or reduce our numbers he will be hung by his feet in the streets when forces of tyranny overrun the present government. He is a coward by every definition.
 
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